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    Steven Sponaugle is offline Junior Member
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    [quote]quote:Originally posted by ashley80

    Dr. Sponaugle:
    Hi, and welcome. I have a question for you about naltrexone. Do you use it for patients who are Hep C positive who have active liver disease, as evidenced by elevated ALT?

    My doctor, in the past, wanted to RX naltrexone for me, because I have had many relapses, but wanted me to get clearance from my hepatologist first. This scared me away from the naltrexone. I think I've done enough damage to my liver from years of hydro/APAP abuse.

    At any rate, it's mostly a moot point for me now, as I'm clean and working my recovery program, but many addicts are HCV positive and may be interested in your response. Thanks very much.

    Ashley

    In brief answer to your question,yes, Florida Detox has been able to treat patients with elevated liver enzymes, using Naltrexone. Some of the protocols in the following article help us lower enzymes. Many people are unaware that the liver can regenerate, from one percent of itís cells.

    BTW, I am not a physician-my graduate work is in Counseling Psychology.
    Steve Sponaugle, Research Director, Florida Detox

    This article is by Burton Berkson, MD and is available on the internet. I would post his website, if I had been able to find one. He is at the Center for Integrative Medicine, in Las Cruces, NM
    It is titled, Triple Antioxidant Therapy for Hepatitis C. I paid the University of Colorado HSC Library to obtain the entire article, which also contains the graphs of liver enymes and other measurements discussed in the article, in addition to references cited by the article. I do not have rights to upload the entire article and we were not given permission to upload this to our website, although we would like to. Since this is already uploaded by someone else, onto the internet, I merely copied it, to post on this board. This uploaded version does contain misspellings, which were not in the published article. Maybe someone will copy this article to other sites, where it might receive more views-I believe Berkson's protocol could help more people if it was more widely known.
    We have used this protocol with someone suffering from Hepatitis C and HIV. Two of three liver enzymes returned to normal, she regained about 16 pounds, her hair regrew and she suffers about half as much fatigue, since starting the protocol. She almost died, during prior interferon/ribavirin therapy with another physician. We also used colostrum, creatine, DGL, and IP6. She is caring for her children and grandson presently. (We did not treat her for chemical dependency)
    Since this article was written, pharmaceutical interferon/ribavirin therapy effectiveness is reported to have increased to fifty percent of time. Herbal and neutraceutical therapys can be used together with the pharmaceuticals, although we recommend the more natural therapy be used in every case, since it is gentle, with almost no side effects.
    Gary Null has some excellent articles discussing natural therapy for HIV, at his website, garynull.com. The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, by Murray and Pizzorno, has an excellent chapter, discussing Hepatitis C treatment. The liversupport.com website is another good source of information regarding Hepatitis C treatment.

    DISCLAIMER: THIS ARTICLE IS NOT CONSIDERED MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS OR TREATMENT. HEPATITIS IS A SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITION AND MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT SHOULD BE OBTAINED
    [As published in "Medizinishche Klinik", a German medical journal.]
    According to a recent article, the number of adults seeking liver transplants for hepatitis C infection will skyrocket in the next 20 years [11]. About 10,000 Americans die from this disease each year. Deaths are estimated to increase because of the increasing risk of infection, and the resulting cirrhosis, portal hypertension, thrombocytopenia, bleeding from varices, and liver cancer. Five years ago, 20% of these hepatitis C patients were candidat

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    Carol

    I really think you have gone off the deep end. Your posts make less and less sense and your hysteria gets louder.

    >>My e-mails are between me and the sender. If they wanted it posted on these boards they would have done so.

    Hey, you dont have to violate the identity to give us the amount.

    How many?

    >>You never lost a child , otherwise you would never promote this injustice to our loved ones.

    You are a VERY SICK women to make these comments about someone elses loss.

    My daughter , sarah nicole, died on christmas morning Dec 25th 1990 while we lived in Indiana. She went to bed the night before and in the eary evening ask if it was ok if she crawled into my bed as she said she wanted to be with her "daddy". I let her in bed with me and snuggled with her. The next morning when i awoke, she didnt. She was deep in a coma. I picked her up and tried to revive her, and while in my arms she took 3 long deep breaths, and collapsed like a rag doll and died in my arms. She was about to turn 4 years young.

    To choose such a tragic event to vent your rants on, just proves that you are full of unresoved and unhealed grief, anger, hurt, and still full of spite, venom and hate.

    >>Your called to DR.Phil may have caused more deaths to children in treatment for substance abuse.

    Now, I think you are really becoming hysterical and delusional.

    I didnt call Dr Phil nor would I. I didnt know it was on till the next day when my roommate from FLorida Detox called to tell me he saw it.

    >>I could not get an answer from the show. I wrote to dateline telling them that Gooberman had deaths in maintenance when he implanted and sent them home with no follow up. The white house.
    The Nida. Again no reply

    Of course not. I told you this from the beginning. People think you are a hysterical delusional person on a misguided rant.. I tried to help you get your thoughts and ideas together in a sensible way and instead, you turned on me.

    Please, for your own sake, get some professional help.

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    Chefjeff,

    "Of course not. I told you this from the beginning. People think you are a hysterical delusional person on a misguided rant.. I tried to help you get your thoughts and ideas together in a sensible way and instead, you turned on me.

    You did not know me from the beginning.
    My letters consisted of about 1 paragraph asking for somone to look into other deaths that did not have Rapid detox.
    I can send you this page.
    1 paragraph long.
    You tell me i am delusional, while others , don't see me that way at all.

    The only pages i had in my possesion in 1998 was a copy of the original trials with the drug Naltrexone because noone could find pages on the Implant or Rapid detox.

    I did not own a computer so i made phone call after phone calls to find out noone knew what i was talking about icluding poison control,paramedics, Emergency rooms and some toxicologists, as well as a member of the F.d.A When i questioned the implant and the drug used in the implant.

    I even visited emergency rooms to find out again they had no clue.

    Noone could give me answers to my questions and some confused the drug with Narcan.


    I was not hysterical until i aked that the Naltrexone be checked in autopsy and it was Not done.
    The fact that my child had to be cut open and buried with the answers i was looking for was uncontionable to me.

    I NEEDED TO KNOW WHY IT WAS NOT DONE.
    i BELIEVED FROM DAY 1 THIS IMPLANT WAS THE CAUSE OF DEATH BECAUSE MY SON DID NOT HAVE THE RAPID DETOX.
    He was not using when he was implanted.
    Sole reason i bought the implant was to help him with cravings.
    2 months later he was dead.

    I knew then that more could die and noone would know the difference.

    Once again i am sorry for the loss of your baby girl.
    Like so many others who do not view our loss as a loss, the stigma and predjudice that comes with addiction does not stop with the addict.

    Parents who loose children to addiction are treated as scum the same way addicts are treated.

    The death of a child in this arena, is considered just another dead addict.

    The cycle of addiction continues with families that loose children, INCLUDING families who loose addicted loved ones, the very reason i questioned intervention.

    We suffer the same loss.

    When the State Medical board called the deaths Rapid detox deaths and dismissed maintenance deaths allowing the sales of Naltrexone implants to continue, and America's Pioneer continued to be on the board of the ASAM, AMERICA NEEDED TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

    Along the way, Mothers wrote me and told me that their children had also died in maintenance without the implant.
    Parents were told to keep their children compliant, which they did, but Just like implant patients, first relapse was a death sentence.

    I never copied these posts yrs ago, but wish i had, I did not think it applied because they had so called "safe" doses while implant patients had toxic doses.

    Then i learned drug interactions were not studied when Naltrexone came to maket as " safe".

    I then asked for statistics of these deaths from Gov. web sites, only to be told there was none.

    I also asked about suicide...still no statistics.

    I guess thats when you can say, i started ranting.

    My post are not rants, they are filled with disgust that these people are viewed as less then human.

    No Chefjeff, my letter to Dr. Phil did no harm.

    Why is it excusable to treat addicts with unproven drugs that has caused death ?
    Why did this drug make it to market as safe when trials were not completed and families paid large sums of money for fraud.

    Please tell me what Low dose Naltrexone will do now ?

    Naltrexone only promised to block the high.
    Nothing more, Chefjeff.

    Low dose will no longer stop the eurphoria or block the high, and what will the dangers be in relapse ?

    I told you this time and time again.
    No Science to prove its worth, just more experimentation.

    I am thrilled you found recovery, i truly am, I can't help but keep trying to protect these patients from untimely deaths or parents having

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    >>Discredit me all you want, but i can not stand by and let you promote

    You are overly defensive. What am I promoting? My own personal experience with UROD? Thats all thats been asked here on this board.

    WHat I am doing is looking for the truth. And trying to help find it. YOu have a very one sided opinion and think all else is fraud. We know fraud and corruption exist in almost everything. So, thats a given.

    Now, lets get to the truh on Naltrexone. There are MANY here who disagree with you and you just answer by posting 3 page rants that we cant follow or understand. MANY who have good experiences with UROD and naltrexone.

    If you really beleive you have un covered some secret conspiracy about naltrexone, great. Lets see the clear cut, concise, evidence and data. I havent ever seen that from you.

    There is also lots of data showing like ALL drugs, there are precautions needed if used.

    We either have the biggest medical conspiracy ever, and everyone is ignoring you, the one true holder of the truth, or maybe, just maybe, you are a little off base and may be doing more harm than good.

    I have asked you before to be clear and concise and not rant and ramble. If you cant, I will no longer read any more of your posts, as I am sure many others have long ago decided.


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    This is second hand knowledge but I've heard bad things about this detox place spoken of above. Hopefully this will not be erased because this thread needs a little balance. So all I am saying is that I have heard bad stories about this place as well as the few good stroies above. If this sort of balance is not allowed I may just watch foxs news and chill on another board.

    This was mistakenly erased. It would be nice if this board was the way it was originally where it was run by addicts but oh well.

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    Excuse me? This board has always been run by addicts. What makes you think it isnt now? I was the first mod that Doc ever appointed for this board(2003), it has always been me so I dont know why you say that.

    Not sure why you insist on the attitude, is it really necessary?

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    huh?

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    Not here Overit.

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    Overit says:

    quote:"This board sucks. Other disparaging remarks deleted"
    And who's forcing you to subject yourself to a "Board that sucks.?"

    Mic

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    overit, wtf are you talking about??

    "i've seen the needle and the damage done"

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    quote:I did the procedure a couple of weeks ago and I tell you I felt better than I have in 5 years when my feet hit the floor after I woke up from the anesthesia..
    so you awoke from anesthesia and felt better than you have in 5 years? i know how the procedure works and im having a difficult time comprehending this.

    my understanding is that upon waking up youre really not feeling all too 'its a beautiful day and the birds are-ah chirping!' and it takes a little while before that 'bad' dissipates?


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