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    greeneyez is offline Senior Member
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    Default What is UROD?

    I have never heard of this method and would like to know what it is all about and how much it costs, and I have heard from the board that it is NOT safe, is that true?
    Stay strong,Sheri

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    Oh Sheri, it is the absolute worst thing going. I'll give you the short and sweet version of what they do to someone.

    say you have a 12 bag a day habit, or whatever,. You go in to the office or wherever they are doing it and they basicly put you in a diaper, knock you out with a couple different meds (probably Versed and Ketamine), and slowly IV you with liquids and Naltrexone to make your body go into w/d's while you are unconsious. It depends on how bad your addiction was, and what it was to to gauge how long it can take.

    I have read horror stories of after the treatement, people waking up in their own excrement, stinking to high heaven of that detox sweat, and in such pain they wanted to either die or use ASAP. Some places implant a Naltrexone "pellet" into you so you cannot relapse and feel any agonist effects. Many pellets get infected and cause serious damage.

    It makes Buprenorphine therapy look like Christmas, and Methadone like Fourth of July. LOL.

    Seriously though, bad news and has caused SEVERAL deaths. I'm sure someone else will respond with a more thorough answer for you.

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    Yes, what Pal said ... maybe even worse.

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    Here is a story that was posted in the UROD forum:

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    UROD Story: The Lies and My Ordeal
    by J. D. Reprinted from MIE (Methadone Information Exchange)

    In April 1995, I paid $4,000 to Dr. Lance Gooberman, the highly specialized doctor in the world of ultra rapid [opiate] detox. I would like to share my story about what he did to me.

    When I called and spoke to him, he told me I would be heroin free in four hours and that I would be going out to dinner that night. Boy, I was the happiest guy in the world when he said that to me. He told me to be at his office at 6:00 a.m. to start the procedure.

    At 6:00 a.m., I'm taken back to a room to put on a giant diaper and a patch on my back for pain [I'm thinking "what pain; there's not supposed to be pain"]. Anyway, I go into another room and hop onto a bed where Dr. Gooberman is standing and assures me I'll have a new life when I wake up.
    As I'm laying in bed, the doctor says that should anything go wrong, there's a hospital two blocks away and they would rush me there. He never told me this when I spoke to him about the procedure days before [lie#2]. Next, a mask was put over my mouth and Dr. Gooberman squeezed my throat. In the meantime, they were looking for the $4,000 that I was supposed to pay him, so they sent in my friend that took me there. According to my friend, when she entered the room and looked at me, my eyes were taped shut, my body was shaking uncontrollably, tubes were in my nose, I was sweating terribly, my body was four times its normal size, and my eyes were black and blue. She asked Dr. Gooberman if I was okay because she thought I was going to die.
    At 9:30 a nurse was shaking me to get up; at 9:45 she got me out of bed, and the diaper I was wearing was full of human waste [to put it nicely], and there was a smell coming from my body that made me throw up. I was put into a bathroom, with my clothes in a milk case on the floor and told to clean myself up and get dressed. I was dizzy and in pain but left alone to clean myself up and get dressed, so I called my friend to help me. From there I was put in a wheelchair and thrown [like a piece of garbage into a dumpster] back into the car that took me there. That was the humiliating part of it.

    Dr. Gooberman had told me I would be swimming in my bed - when I got home thirty minutes later - and that I was. For about thirty hours, my body would stretch out like I was swimming UROD Story (from p. 1)
    and screaming at the same time; the pain was unbearable - it was like I had been hit with the flu twenty times at once. I had body aches, a headache, the runs every fifteen minutes which caused my *** to bleed, and when I would piss, my penis would burn like there was no tomorrow. In addition, I could not sleep or eat for twelve days, and I could not talk for the first three days due to the pain in my face and nose. On three occasions, my friend was ready to call an ambulance because she was so afraid I was going to die! I should have died --I was one of the lucky ones (six of his patients allegedly died).
    When I left Dr. Gooberman=s office, he gave me two prescriptions--one for three needles to inject for the runs [they did not work] and one for trazadone, an anti-depressant that would make me sleep [yeah right]. In addition, the [naltrexone] implant became infected and had to be removed at the emergency room.

    The first nine days, I had a fever between 104-107E --my body was on fire. There is honestly no way to express the pain in my body other than being hit with the flu twenty times all at the same time. All I remember is wanting to die--to take a gun to my head and pull the trigger. All this went on for twelve days, during which several calls were made to Dr. Gooberman, who did not return them until two days later and then all he said was that I had to ride it out. I begged this man for help and all he kept saying was there was nothing he could do and to ride it out; he promised me I would be okay in a day or so!
    Well it took fifteen days before I took my first shower and was able to get

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    i only want to add that the naltrexone implant does not "STOP" relapse infact most relapsed in short periods after getting implanted because they were not maintained on the drug or closely monitored to see how much of the drug was actually in the system.

    at least 6 yrs of implant patients dying now the claim is that they can keep an addict clean for 1 month.

    do i trust what they say.....absoulutely not.
    6 yrs ago it was suppose to stop cravings and cure addiction, how many deaths later, the claim is 1 month.

    still not f.d.a. approved, but still causing death.


    Death not suicide: mother

    ANNE CALVERLEY



    The mother of a young heroin junkie found dead from an amphetamine overdose in a storm water drain vehemently disputed claims yesterday that her youngest daughter had committed suicide.

    Yvonne Muckersie told Perth Coroner's Court that the religious beliefs of her 20-year-old daughter Laura were against suicide.

    She also cast doubt on the official cause of death because she said her daughter disliked amphetamines and that heroin "was her drug of choice".

    "I don't believe it was suicide nor do I believe it was homicide but I believe others were involved in her demise," Mrs Muckersie said.

    Mystery surrounds the death of Laura who was involved in WA's controversial naltrexone treatment program just months before her body was found in Swan View in July 2001.

    She was no stranger to the illicit drug underworld or its unsavoury characters. But the 20-year-old tried to kick her drug addiction by seeking help from George O'Neil, who runs the country's only naltrexone clinic in Subiaco.

    She featured prominently on the front page of The West Australian in May 2001 as one of the first drug users who agreed to test an experimental implant designed to stop drug cravings.

    Two young schoolboys found her body a few months later.

    A forensic examination revealed Laura died from an amphetamine overdose on July 31.

    Dominic Mulligan, counsel assisting the coroner, said that at first police considered her death a suicide or accidental overdose but a subsequent investigation recommended keeping an open finding.

    Dr O'Neil told the court of rumours circulating at his clinic that Laura owed money to a drug dealer shortly before her death.

    He described Laura as a high-risk patient who had relapsed several times before the controversial naltrexone device was implanted in August 2000.

    She received another one in January 2001 and was due for a third a few days before she died but had not kept her appointment.

    Dr O'Neil said Laura had stopped taking heroin but was still using amphetamines two or three times each week.

    She had been depressed about losing 17 friends to drug overdoses in a short period. "She always talked about the heartache of losing her friends, in particular her best friend," Dr O'Neil said.

    Chief forensic pathologist Clive Cooke said Laura had a lethal dose of drugs in her system and there were no other obvious signs of death, significant violence or struggle.

    The inquest continues.




    if this doctor knew she had an addiction to another drug as he claims she told him, why would he risk her life ?
    Many addicts have more then 1 drug of choice, others use non opiates because naltrexone does not stop cravings , nor does it treat addiction.

    remember it is an abstinance program, and if this is what you feel will work for you, blocking the high, then it's a good choice for you, but you still have to know that patients leaving a naltrexone program have had fatal overdoses too.

    urod stands for ultra rapid opiate detox, claiming you would wake up drug free in just hrs, it was fraud.




    carol

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    Sheri,
    Don't listen to all the bull **** respinces you are getting in regard to you question about urod.

    First of all, there is no detox method that is completely comfortable. The trick is to find the method that is the MOST comfortable. All methods are going to be a little uncomfortable. I know this because I have tryed over five physician supervised detox programs. "Pal's" responce to your queston, in the end he basicly was saying that methadone detox worked best for him and he is now maintaned on methadone and has know cravings. First of all, he is on a methadone maintenace program and is not detoxed. If he stopped taking the methadone, he would go into detox. He will have to be on methadone for the rest of his life or untill he is detoxed.

    I an not knoking methadone, it is a great tool (the most successful) in opiate treatment. I was on it for 4 years and it probably saved my life. But spend some time on it and you will eventuall realize it's time to get off and truely detox.

    I went threw many different types of detoxes. The best one was the anastesioloy assisted opiate detox (urod). All the stories in the responces to your question are false and exagerated with the exception of the extreme tiredness (fatigue) you experience for a few days. The urod is the method I would recomend highly. Make sure you pick a Doctor who does the procedure in a hospital. Midwest rapid opiate detoxificatin specialtist in chicago have there procedure pretty much perfected. They have had no deaths and have done hundreds of these detoxes.

    I opted for the naltrexone implant (this is not required) and have had no complications. the implant lasts two months. To date, I have had a total of four implants back to back and am know have been clean for seven months. My implant sights have never gotten infected.

    I am now the happiest I have been in the last 10 years.
    If you have any questions about my expirience or opinions please feel free to email my at amasso1@lsu.edu

    keep trying,
    adam

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    You didn't ultra-rapidly become an addict, you will not ultra-rapidly become an unaddict. It is the addict mentality to want instant gratification like that.

    I feel bad for the people and their families who were harmed by this like carol.

    mallomar

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    Adam, just curious why you would say "All the stories in the responces to your question are false and exagerated" and yet go on to say "Make sure you pick a Doctor who does the procedure in a hospital." I am glad to hear you say "My implant sights have never gotten infected." My first 3 or 4 did not either. I wish you much success in your recovery. Addictions are symptoms of a brain disease, not the disease itself, and I do hope that by having a symptom "in check", we all can find our way to recovery from the genetic brain disease that causes these symptoms. Best of wishes!

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    Hi, I am new to this forum and not addicted to any kind of drugs. I have a friend however who is. He has been addicted to heroin and is currently on methadone treatments. He is down to 40 mgs a day. He has been battling his addiction for probably about 3 yrs. He was interested in urod and may be checking himself into a hospital for a 30 day detox next month. He cannot afford urod. The 30 day treatment is free. He told me about this today and I am concerned about what might happen. After reading some of the accounts that have been posted urod does not sound so great. He is a great guy and I don't him to go through any thing that painful. He has been through hell already. Can anybody give us any suggestions. I am trying to get information on his behalf. I know he desperately wants to be off drugs. He's been doing well with the methadone treatments but just does not want to be dependant on anything anymore. Please help.

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    Celtav,
    your friend is battleing a life long addiction. you said he is interested in a couple of different detox methods, but you don't want to see him go threw any pain. First of all, detoxing from opiates is going to be somewhat painful regardless of the method. The trick is to find the method that is the least painful. Secondly, detoxification is only the first step recovery. your friend, after being detoxed will need to attend regular NA meetings and find a support group. this is something he should be involved in for the rest of his life. Most people after detox think they are cured and without regularly attending AA, CA, or NA meetings (they are all pretty much the same theory) will relaps very quickly, usually within one week.
    Good luck and keep supporting your friends attempts to stop using,
    Adam

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    In Adams reply of false or exagerated, obviously he has no clue of
    what addicts experienced early on when they were nothing more
    then experimental subjects paying thousands of dollars for the "Cure".

    There was most defently detox deaths but not from anesthesia.

    The deaths were from experimenting with NALTREXONE.
    The deaths were from lack of treatment .

    You today maybe safe,due to those who died.
    experiences are not fraud............the drug naltrexone is.

    Midwest is who you promote ?

    Once again, NOT THE DETOX THAT KILLS.
    NALTEXONE IS THE KILL.



    carol

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    I really take offense at Adam saying these stories are exagerated. My stroy is under UROD Stories. I have been through UROD twice and have been detoxed over the past 20+ years more times than I choose to say. The least painful was inpatient detox with buprenorphine.

    I believe there are probably positive experiences with UROD such as Adams. But those like me whose expiriences were not very good (to say the least) are not exagerated they were HELL!!!! I cannot over state that. I was not experiencing PAWS(post acute withdraw syndrome)I was in total withdrawal. I was vomiting when they gave me oral naltrexone. To me the worst part is when you respond like this they do nothing to help you. You are in complete total withdrawal worse than cold turkey and they say you will get better. At that stage the only way to feel good enough not to suicide is to use opiates.

    To me on these boards we should give our experiences and not advice. I am a physician assistant and know the medical aspects but here I am just an addict and can only tell you what I went through. I can also share some of the medical knowledge but not advice. But one should not look for advice here as much as read all the experiences and make a decision of your own. If you like here is my story about UROD:

    Unfortunately I am slow to figure things out. I have tried UROD twice with both total disasters. I am almost 50 and became addicted to opiates during my teens. When I was 27 I got clean and sober and stayed that way until I was 37(1991) or so. At that time I had surgery that resulted in chronic pain and tempory paralysis. I also became readdicted to opiates again. I became very sick with my addiction and finally got clean again in 1996. In 1998 I was hit by a car while riding my bicycle and was again given opiates and my addiction again spun out of control to a point where I was taking about 5000mg of morphine(MScontin)per day. An extremely high tolerance. I went to Tampa for UROD and like everyone else was told the procedure would be wonderful. I would be detoxed and back clean and sober again. They took their $4000.00 before anything began and then I was off to the procedure. I was asked to put on a hospital gown and a diaper. I felt very degraded with this diaper. I have had surgery before and never had a diaper. Anyway I was put to sleep. The next thing I remember was horrifying. I was groggyly looking upward and saw a group of aliens looking down on me. It was just like in the movies with the blurry haze around these awkward looking beings. I was frieghtened and wanted to run but felt paralyzed. I guess I began screaming and also began to realize they were the hospital staff around my bed that I thougt were aliens. As they continued to call my name and shake me awake I began to focus and saw they were human beings. I was very confused and still scared. It felt so real. I still thought it really happend. I noticed my diaper was wet but I still had to pee but could not. It was becoming painful so they tried to stand me up but I had no energy to hold myself up. So two nurses helped me stand while I tried to pee. All the anesthesia make urination almost impossible and I was in terrible pain. In addition to this pain my whole body ached. My nerved damaged right leg pain was unbearable. I was so nauseous that I had the drug heeves. At this point I was given 1/2 tablet of a naltrexone. This made matter worse. The doctor looked in disbelief saying that I should not have reacted that way to the naltrexone. Because of mental state which was extremely confused and frienghtened from my alein experience I was placed in intensive care for the night. I was alone and had no one with me. I laid in this bed unable to move feeling very terrifed as I felt as if I had been abducted by aliens. I know this sounds bizzar but this is what happened. Because of my severe anxiety over all this the doctor came back to the hospital around midnight just to sit with me because I was so scared. While I am not religious I was scared and he asked if he could pray with me. A

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