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I thought it was time to start a new thread since I am no longer detoxing off suboxone. Things are going pretty well. I am happy to have made it. My life right now is basically going how I want it to. I sleep good, work lots of hours and also get in some fun things too. I don't drink or smoke. I don't take any drugs. I have lots to be thankful for. I have been doing some reading on low dose naltrexone. I feel I will be a good candidate. I am looking to help my brain recover faster from all those years of opiate use. It is not used for withdrawals. This is a treatment available which can reverse the long-term after effects of opioid addiction known as post acute withdrawal syndrome, which otherwise tends to produce symptoms such as depression.
Rather than go into details about all the information I have, if your curious just google it and there is tons of good stuff.
I placed an order and will update after I start. I got a good feeling though.....
I nearly went that route myself. I know a few who did. I think Uldn is even better. If I had not of chosen iboga I am sure I would of used uldn. Iv amino was just too expensive even though I had began saving for it.
ULDN is cheap and clinic wise makes sense. Pls.. post and let us know how it goes.
omission is not honesty, only a different way of lying.
Congrats Bonita and Anotherday for getting off suboxone. Its been quite a journey for me and the journey continues. I won't ever use suboxone or opiates again. I have no fear of relapsing or such. I am very sober but it is hard to get excited about anything. I know I have mentioned my paws as my only complaint. I am over the part worst part. I feel like I have leveled off. Problem is just kinda depressed. I got a good life and no reasons to feel like I do. I exercise, eat right and keep very busy. I know its part of the process but its hard. I know this happens and people live with it, sometimes for years. I remember having more emotions a month or two off suboxone than I do now. Thats when I was having ups and downs. Now I don't have ups or downs, just a level blank feeling. I refuse to give up and I can't just wait around for something to happen. I wish I had the ldn now so I could start taking it. It is going to take 15-20 days for it to come. I am going to start out a low dose of 1.5 mg nightly for the first week and then up slowly from there if needed to a max of 4.5 mg nightly. I read some addiction physicians are actually using it for suboxone patients after they are detoxed with good results. I know I am the perfect candidate. My mind is so very stable at this point I will know right away if its a good fit.
My detox Center tr stopped the LDN treatment long time ago. It actually makes many people feel worse and contrary to belief there are no withdrawals from LDN you will get side-effects. Since many patients claimed it did not make a difference at all they stopped giving out that treatment long time ago.
Best best is time, nothing will work or stop any of these symptoms...If people keep looking for something to feel good then it will s imply prolong their situation/PAWS. Thats the kind of thinking which made us addicts in the first place...Tell yourself your stronger then this and fight it..Some people also make the mistake of thinking it's PAWS related from long acting opiates but in hindsight it could be what they would have felt anyway. Many people who never touched drugs/opiates have these feelings and symptoms from time to time in life, it's human nature, but if one keeps thinking its this or that then symptoms will feel worse and linger..I know trust me...It also depends on how strong minded you are, age, drug/opiate history etc..Nothing will work except time..Many patients come in saying the same thing..If we keep looking for formulas, pills, amino therapy, treatments etc then you will always feel like this..Time is best Healer of all.
But yeah most people here in the U.K dont have too much luck with LDN and my detox centre considered it a waste of money, so if people want to go that route they will have to pay out of their own pocket!..Whenever I thought negative or did nothing I would feel kind of depressed too, but only nearest c ure to PAWS is Vigorous exercise, 7-9 days a week, heart pounding, deep sweat etc, of course give yourself a rest day or 2 but some hard-core Exercise is the best. I know some can't because of age and time and other issues but trust me the more excercise I do and did the more better I feel, sometimes a walk around the block just doesnt do it, only vigorous exercise fights the PAWS. But if people want to try something and it works then fair dos but there will always be side-effects, and will not be proper recovery. Recovery takes time, commitment, positivity, will-power and patience! But like I said depends on our personality, for instance if one is a sensitive person or has not family or gets down having no kids or partner then they tend to suffer symptoms as PAWS. Its unfortunate some people in that boat and unfortunate some people have life issues, but they aren't always necessarily anything to do with PAWS from opiates..People feel like this all the time, it's time really be strong and a lot of it mental..Keeping busy, active and not thinking about it helps, we "MUST" change the thinking of so called cured, miracle drugs etc as this was the mentality which made us addicts in the first place..I changed mine and it took work and time and effort, but hey it cut down PAWS for me and put me where I am now, which is clean for years from everything!.
Ali, I value your opinion on ldn. I totally get what you said in your post. I will be able to give my own honest opinion on ldn after I give it a try. Yes, time is a good healer. I have lots of time. I am ok hanging out for a while in my current condition. In the mean time I don't see any harm trying to get back some brain function that seems to be taking its time coming back. I remember a short time off suboxone I had some real good fantastic feelings coming and going. My moods were all over the place. When I think back my good days happened after days that were not so good. The really good feelings that came could have been because my brain was making up for missing endorphins on prior day or days. If this was the case then ldn might cause something similiar to happen when it blocks receptors for a short time causing increased endorphin production to happen.
I currently don't have any bad days. Things have really leveled off. I have not had any withdrawal flashbacks or symptoms for months. I am just having a hard time getting too excited about stuff. If I do have one of those paws related terrible days like I experienced several months ago (out of nowhere) I wonder if it will be followed by an exceptional feel good day with increased endorphins.
I have not given up on life or anything like that. My life is so much better after getting sober. I have come so far and I am living life. I just want to get excited when I see a beautiful sunset or sob when I watch a sad movie, thats all :)
Jay, I probably should have not stated I was just hanging out waiting for something to happen. I am actually doing the opposite. Work is going very good (the best it has been in years) and I even get in some overtime, I spend lots of time with a couple good non-addict friends, I am dating a very nice girl, I have relatives that I get together with every other week, I have been bowling a few times, gone to the swimming pool several times, I go bicycle riding when the weather permits. If I took all these things out of my life and sat at home waiting for something to happen I am sure it never would. I am doing everything right and look forward to trying the ldn that I have read so many good things about. I have joined an ldn forum and have several people familiar with it helping me with my questions that I have had. I hope to be one of the first posting a positive experience here on odr:)
Well I just wanted to update my thread. I am still waiting for my order of ldn to come in the mail. It will probably be another week or so. I had a good weekend and don't have any complaints. Life is so much better off suboxone. I just want everything perfect and I am so close to having it. If the ldn doesn't help I will be ok. My needs seem to be always changing. First it was trying to get off suboxone. Then it was surviving suboxone withdrawals. Now it seems I want to be just like all the folks that never got into addiction. I want everything perfect. I am jealous of people who who never had an addiction and want to be just like them. I know I am getting there but sometimes its hard seeing how easy they have it. I am doing it but just have to work a bit harder than they do. Well thats all I got for now. I got A's to report for my weekend though =)
Hey, I know lots of people with no drug or alcohol problems who are way more screwed up than me. Wouldn't want their lives for anything. And I DO know what you mean. Someone told me that I compare how I feel on the inside to how other people look on the outside. I guess I see someone laugh or look great or something and I think they have everything, even though I don't know them at all. And I start worrying because I don't feel like laughing or looking great, so I assume everyone is happy but me. Wow, does that make any sense at all??? Hope so. Have you tried any 12-step programs? NA is saving my *** right now, whether I like it or not. Get out of your own head, your addiction is alive & well.
Yes, I agree about comparing how others look on the outside with how I feel on the inside. Yes, I also agree there are plenty of non-addicts with challenges of their own. I guess its human nature to single out someone who seems to have it all and use them for comparison. I don't compare myself with people at the opposite end of the spectrum. So yes, I really got no complaints at this time:)
Well I was not home today when the mail guy came with my ldn. I am picking it up on Monday afternoon. After lots of research I have decided to start with a very low dose and plan on taking it in the mornings. Patients have gotten just as good as response by not taking it before bedtime as it most likely will interrupt sleep. I have a good feeling and look forward to giving it a try. I will do a daily report to let you know of my findings. Until then I got an A+ to report on by sobriety at 8 months.
Please do post how this works out for you... I nearly did the same but chose a different path. I have heard poss/neg about LDN.. I think ULDN is even more interesting and heard more possitive things with it.
CONGRATS ON CLEAN TIME!!!!!!!!
omission is not honesty, only a different way of lying.
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