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    I have been sober for over 3 years (except for suboxone). I have tapered down to 4 mg per day and I have made many sincere attempts to get off the suboxone completely yet I have been unable to do so. I have tried every thing I could think of including taking klonopin and xanax among other prescription drugs but I've never been able to make it more than 60-70 hrs because the withdrawl symptoms have been so intense. I feel that my only other option is to have a rapid opiate detox performed. I know nothing about this particular treatment and I don't know how it feels during and after it is completed. If there is anyone who has ever had this procedure before or anyone who has knowledge of what I can expect I would very much appreciate your input and advice. I hope someone out there knows what I'm going through. Please don't hesitate to give me any info that may help me better understand what this rapid detox entails. Thanks for listening and I hope to hear from some of you soon.

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    hi benny, anyone who has tapered off sub successfully has tapered down to .25--.5mg. jumping at 4mg is way too much!! that's why the withdrawl was so bad. i would NEVER recommend the rapid detox because of all the horror stories i have heard--and people have died from that! i would keep tapering the sub slowly down to .25mg and see if that helps.

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    Welcome Benny......I don't have any first hand experience to offer as far as your search regarding ROD. But as Kelli said...havn't heard much good.

    You'd be in a better sits to taper the sub down below 2mg and attempt the jump. Either way, the clonidine would be a great cushion at or near post jump.

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    Get through day three, by whatever means you can. After 7 days or so your through the worst of it. I know what its like, looking back I watched alot of movies, had some benzos for a week, helped some. If you can manage step down to 2mg for a week, might help some. I know i wasn't disciplined enough to do this. My body would just go into semi-detox state. I figured why suffer more with a taper and just jumped at 4mg.I'm through now, but still fighting everyday to feel better. Try not to let that bother you, its just a fact any of us have to face after the decision we made to go on this maintainance drug Sub. Educated or not about the side effects, it relly doesn't matter. Its just a fact that the body/mind are going to be slow to heal after we detox from it. I've read nothing but nightmare stories about ROD.

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    and rod is like $15,000!! that's crazy!! and most people say it was a waste of money. they use naltrexone to clean off the receptors and you can get a script for that--and save a ton of money!

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    x2 You'd be in a better sits to taper the sub down below 2mg and attempt the jump

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    Hi Benny,
    I went throuh rapid detox at Waismann 4 1/2 months ago for suboxone. I was on a very low dose, but I couldn't taper off (even the smallest amount) without succumbing to weeks on end of migraine headaches. It happened whenever I changed my dose towards the end of my use...whether I was trying to increase or decrease the dose. I felt rapid detox was my only choice.
    It was a good option for me, but I would have never gone through with it if I would have had a better option mainly because:
    A. It's VERY expensive
    B. It only help's with the the very EARLY withdrawl symptoms. You still have alot of physical discomfort: heavy legs some stomach upset, severe fatique, insomnia
    C. PAWS comes on loud and stong...no short cut here
    What I'm saying is they get you through the very intial stages of detox... that's all. If you don't have a strong plan in place for when you leave rapid detox, you will relapse. I know this because this last time through was my second time. If you're looking for an easy way out this isn't it, promise. I really hope this helps. I was about where you are 4 1/2 months ago so I understand how tough this is. Let me know if I can be of furthe help.
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    Hey guys-
    Thanks alot for the feedback. I really appreciate it. Especially Robyn. I'm seriously considering going to Waismann for rapid detox. I know it's not a miracle cure, but I've never been able to make it below 2mg of Suboxone per day, and even at that dose I was really struggling. I know there's risks involved but I feel confident that Waismann is a very good place to have the ROD performed. If I decide to go through with it, I definitely will spend a couple weeks at their retreat, following my discharge from the hospital. I would want to make sure I'm comfortable without the Suboxone before I return home. I read on the Waismann website that they continue to give you Naltrexone pills for one year following the rapid detox. I know that they keep you from using any opiates, but I've also heard people say that they can help with the cravings for opiates. Is this true? If anyone out there knows more about Naltrexone and how it works I would really appreciate your input. Thanks again to everyone who responded to my post.

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    Maybe look into Gabapentin, i feel it works better then Xanax or valium for the anxiety associated with detoxing. Its starting to emerge as a good aid for this purpose. It has already been proven to work well for social anxiety/personality disorders for many.I wish i would have gotten on sooner in my detox, like a week before jumping off. Its worth giving it a try prior to commiting to rapid detox. If you can get a script try it for a week or two along with tapering and see if it eases the discomfort/uneasiness of tapering.

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    Hey Benny.....don't beat yourself up regarding the 2mg point. For the large majority of folks that's where the sub is MOST effective. Very hard for an addict to understand that 2mg of anything is stronger then higher doses.But very true. ALOT of members find they need more time,less reduction amounts, and more determination to get below the 2mg point.

    Maybe you could post the taper schedule you've tried or are trying? Perhaps we can offer some options to consider? The UROD will always be there as an option/choice.

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    hi benny - i want to reinforce a no vote for the rapid detox and a iye vote for the taper. rapid detox was a recipe for disaster for me and many others. yes, it will technically cleanse you of the sub, but the PAWS are so much more pronounced due to the trauma urod inflicts on your body and brain that the benefit is wiped out ten fold in time. there is a section in this board called UROD where you can read many stories ... mostly bad. good luck man. let us know how you do.

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    Benny, its a tough call. I went thru detox with someone on sub for 5 years (24-32mgs) and went to summer house in Miami. I was there for Roxie's and my stay was 10-14 days for detox. Methadone is 21 days. Long term bupe is a minimum of 30 days so they are hip to the long withdraw of bupe. After he got out he went to a ninety day program. To make a long story short he got back on opiates and then subs. He opted for rapid. He went to both Waisman and Fl detox ($$) an went for Fl detox because they put him on a short acting opiate for 20 days to make sure the bupe was gone. Thats their stance on subutex. Anyway he went through it and the jury is still out. He said he feels further along than he did after his other detoxes but doesn't have a real strong plan in place. I only talk with him on the phone because he is far away. They money was crazy. The place in CA is over 15K for the procedure and 7K a week for the week or two longterm addicts may need He paid 15K at FL and stayed in a motel close buy for a week because he was all washed out, as he put it.
    Its a hell of a struggle and I hope the best for you
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