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    Default Stan Starts His Taper Down - 3/31/07

    Hi. My name is Stan. I am 50 years old. I live in Denver, CO. I am divorced, and the father of a 16 year old boy, who happens to be my pride and joy. He lives not far from me, with his mom. I am a truck driver, hauling granite slabs around Colorado.

    Currently, I am taking 60mg of methadone per day, for moderate to severe chronic low back pain. I take two-10mg tablets 3xday.

    My pain issues began in 1985 when I ruptured a disc at level L5-S1. I had a laminectomy in 1986. That was the year I began my use of Vicodin and Percocet. Fast forward to 1997 when I have my second laminectomy at the same level. More Vicodin, more Percocet.

    Besides two surgeries, I have tried cortisone injections, oral steroids, physical therapy, acupuncture, (worked extremely well, but too expensive and the relief was short term), Tenns units, nerve ablation, (they actually cook the nerve to kill it), and a few other things that I cant remember....lol......but, nothing works as well as the methadone.

    By 2005, my pain is back with a vengance, and I am taking 20 Vicodin a day. I am suffering from post laminectomy syndrome, degenerative disc disease, foriminal stenosis, scar tissue pressing against nerves, arthritis, and bone spurs. I have 3 doctors and 3 pharmacies writing and filling scripts for me. I find an online pharmacy where I can get a 3-month supply of 10/300 Vicodin for $200. I finally got busted by one of the pharmacies that noticed my prescriptions overlapping too much. They called my primary care doctor…..it was the best thing that could have happened to me.

    My doctor sent me to a therapist for counseling. The therapist realized that while I needed to get off the Vicodin, I would still need something for my back pain. She sent me to the University of Colorado Interventional Pain Clinic. It was here where I was told I was a “perfect candidate” for methadone….a chronic pain sufferer with an addictive personality. I needed a long-acting, powerful pain reliever. Methadone was the answer.

    The methadone was a godsend. The pain relieving qualities are excellent, and I don’t get that euphoric feeling. It does not affect my driving at all, and I am completely functional at my job. I have been on 60mg for 2 years, without raising my dose once.

    Well, I am getting tired of the methadone now. I am tired of the hyperhidrosis (severe sweating). I am tired of being a slave to the methadone. The thing is, even with the methadone, I still have breakthrough pain ( I have 15mg of pure oxycodone…no acetaminophen… for the breakthrough pain), and Im sure my pain will come roaring back without the methadone.

    I am considering using my vacation time (about 3 weeks) toget “weaned” off the methadone by my doctor. I have put on 30lbs. since I started the methadone.That sucks. I don’t even think about sex. That REALLY sucks. Do I stay on the methadone for the rest of my life? I am sick and tired, and confused and scared. I don’t know what to do.

    Thank you for taking the time to read my story. I need some advice, and I look forward to any and all replies.

    Stan
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    Welcome... i just cold turkey'd of methadone at 17mg 18 days ago... the first 10 days where the worst.... but I made it thru it... still alot of insomnia and lethargy - which i hear can take months to get that back to normal...

    Usually methadone weight comes off pretty easy - i lost 12 lbs in my first wk off....

    You are in the right place for support and encouragement during this trying time in your life... out of 3 forums i told my progress and my story and this site was the best for encouragement.... alot of the others were negative like i was not gonna make it.... they are eating their words now..

    Check out my stories on here... 7 day cold turkey - and my story - past and present...

    Good luck - and again WELCOME

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    stan,this all is a little out of my league,but if you want support and good advise you came to the right place.give it a bit and other will be along realy soon to help.this such and awful situation that tons of ppl get into.i mean coming off the methadone while hard it is doable.but the question is do you think you can live with the pain,if not are you wanting of the meth but maybe are considering another long lasting pain med.the are questions that they will need to know.are you ready to be completly clean or is that not an option for you with the pain problems?well keep your spirits up and others will be along soon.oh and all the side effects weight gain,no sex drive,all normal side -effects of this great thing we call methadonei like to call it crap or life stealer,but thats just me,lol,well bye4now,eyes

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    Hey Stan,

    I'm pretty new here, too. I was on 95mg/day of methadone, and took a year and a half to get down to 10mg or so. I didn't have any trouble until recently, in the single digits. Currently I'm taking 4mg/day, and splitting it in 2 doses. Sounds like you're tired of methadone, and I can understand that. I don't want to discourage you, but 3 weeks sounds pretty fast. But then again, people who are on methadone detox instead of maintenance do it in that amount of time. A lot depends on your motivation.

    Have you told the pain clinic you want to get off of methadone? I'm curious if they gave you any advice along those lines.

    Good luck,
    Tom

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    There you are Stan!

    See you found us...welcome.:)

    Okay, darlin'...I think most of here (if not all) understand the reasons you're looking to come off. For many, Methadone may have been the right decision in the beginning...but those of us on this forum found that there came a time when the dues were no longer worth it. That the negatives outweighed the positives. We understand the lack of sexual motivation, the sweating, the weight gain, the lack of motivation, constipation, shut down emotions, etc.

    Look hun'...coming off of 60mg in 3 weeks is going to put a large stress on your body...as well as emotionally. We're talking 20mg per week. That's quite difficult. And what you have to understand is that you usually won't feel each drop until 3 days later. You're also going to have to deal with the post acute WD phase...so I really wouldn't recommend doing this in 3 weeks time.

    The other issue, of course for you, is pain management. What may be happening, Stan, is that the Methadone is now causing exacerbation of your pain. Rebound pain...hyperalgesia. That's why you have break through as you indicated. But you won't know how severe the pain actually is until you remove the Methadone.

    Soo...it may be a difficult decision. You're an addict and a chronic pain patient. Managing opioids is almost impossible.

    What I would suggest is that you come off of the Methadone in a measured and structured manner...but not at 20mg per week. Then after a bit, you'll be able to decide the exact nature of your pain. You may find that you will have to manage it with a host of non-opioid medications. You may find that your perception of pain actually changes....that you don't have as much pain as you previously thought.

    We're here to help you through this, Stan.

    Look forward to hearing from you. Warmly, Ar

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    Wow.....I am truly touched by everybodys sincere replies. I havent even started to get off the methadone but I can already feel the strenght you guys and gals have given me.

    To Cori: Going cold turkey scares me s**tless. I dont know how you can do it. You sound like a very strong person. Hang in there and get well, and thanks for your reply, support and advice.

    To eyesbrown: Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate your advice and concern. With folks like yourself, it will be easy to keep my spirits up.

    To Arlene: Hey there! Yup, I found ya!

    Yes, I have lots of details to work out before I go for detox. It sounds like I may have to take a leave of absence from work to do this.

    I am so tired of feeling like s**t in the mornings. I have no energy or motivation until my first dose is coursing through my bloodsteam...about 2 hours later, but, I wont bore you with the details of my love-hate relationship with the methadone. Well, actually, it pretty simple.....I love the pain relieveing qualities but hate everything else!

    I told my doc tor about wanting to get off the stuff, and I think I recall him saying he could bring me down about 10mg per week....does that sound right?

    In the meantime, while I am deciding what to do, and when to do it, (I will have to include my employer in this decision, so they will hold my job for me....), I am planning to have Botox injections in my scalp to stop the severe sweating. From what I have
    researched, it works real well for 4-8 months.

    I hope you are right about my perception of my pain, but I am pretty sure Im gonna be a hurtin' unit. LOL!

    I daydream about being "clean", and I just might find the strenght and courage to go for it.....now that I have folks like you to help me.

    Thanks again to all of you. I can feel the love and support here....and thats just what I need. I will be around, and I'll stay in touch.

    Talk to everybody again, real soon.

    Stan

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    Hi,and welcome Stan! You are having injections to get rid of your sweats? Did you know that methadone is whats causing your severe sweats? I think you will find that as you decrease your dose of methadone your sweating will go away. Check out a few posts here,just about everyone of us have had severe sweats on a high dose of methadone,just like yours. I am down to 18 mgs,and do not sweat anymore,and also alot of other things have gotten better since I have been tapering of my doses. I was at 110 mgs tops,with the severe sweats untill I got doen around the 40 mg mark. Im not really sure but I think the sweats did go away at that dose if not somewhere around that dose. Alot of us here have felt better coming down on our doses. Anyways glad your here,check out some posts you can learn alot here,I know I did. Good luck Stan see ya soon I hope.

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    quote:Originally posted by StanThe Man

    I told my doc tor about wanting to get off the stuff, and I think I recall him saying he could bring me down about 10mg per week....does that sound right?

    In the meantime, while I am deciding what to do, and when to do it, I daydream about being "clean",

    Thanks again to all of you. I can feel the love and support here....and thats just what I need. I will be around, and I'll stay in touch.
    'Morning kiddo ~

    Here's what I would suggest. That you start the process now. Don't think, Stan....do.

    No...I wouldn't suggest 10mg per week. You can start yourself...tomorrow. I would suggest something like 5mg per week. Keep it steady. As you get lower...perhaps under 15 or 20, you may have to slow it. That's going to be totally individualized based on your personal decision and determination. But at 60mg, 5mg per week shouldn't be a problem. A little uncomfortable...but you shouldn't feel it tremendously.

    What I'm saying, babe, is that you can't get clean by daydreaming. Its in the action.

    Yes...there is tremendous love, respect and support here. Alone, it's too much for us. Together, we can do this.

    I'm taking the liberty of posting a link to my story. Also...go and read Dave's (Peacenik's) story, Sean's, Dee's, Syd. Take a look see on this forum and you'll understand that this is a do-able dream...you can make it happen. And we'll be here with you to watch the miracle.

    http://www.heroin-detox.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8038

    Love,
    Ar

    PS....Perhaps instead of getting Botox injections for the sweating, it might be better to address the reason and solve that.[:o)];)

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    Hi Stan
    Welcome :)
    And, as usual, you've gotten some great advice. Usually, people can get down to a certain level without too much difficulty. Then it gets tough.

    If you're on 60 mgs and you have been using opiates for 20 years, you have a pretty serious habit to kick. Don't feel bad though, I had 19 years of heroin, methadone and other drugs and I got off it.

    You can probably follow Arlene's suggestions and get down to 30, or so. Then, we can worry about how to get through the hard part. How's that sound?

    Dave

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    To Tom, Heather and peacenik..thank you so much for your replies and advice. I am overwhelmed by the love and support...I am truly humbled.

    Arlene:
    I just read my last reply to you...geez...I am one confused dude. Ok, this is my deal. I visit my pain doc every 3 months for an eval and refills. The next time I see him is June 13th. I dont know if I should start to taper off without his supervision, so I suppose I should move my appointment up so I can have a chat with him. Or.....since I do have 3 months worth of meds, should I try to taper myself and see how it goes? What if I get down to, say, 20mg per day, should I stay there until I see my doc again? How do you suppose he might react to my self-induced detox?

    Screw the Botox, huh? I have an appointment set for May 16 to have the injections done....but....if I can reduce or eliminate the severe sweating by lowering my dose, that would obviously be the best scenario.

    At the moment, I am apprehensive and confused, but I am starting to see things differently regarding my detox. I am becoming educated after only two days at this forum. I am the king of procrastination when it comes to beginning my detox. I am so scared that I will not know how to live without the methadone, but now I will go read everybody elses stories, and I will see how you folks have conquered your fears.

    Thanks again....


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    quote:Originally posted by StanThe Man
    The next time I see him is June 13th. I dont know if I should start to taper off without his supervision, so I suppose I should move my appointment up so I can have a chat with him. Or.....since I do have 3 months worth of meds, should I try to taper myself and see how it goes? What if I get down to, say, 20mg per day, should I stay there until I see my doc again? How do you suppose he might react to my self-induced detox?

    Screw the Botox, huh? I have an appointment set for May 16 to have the injections done....but....if I can reduce or eliminate the severe sweating by lowering my dose, that would obviously be the best scenario.

    At the moment, I am apprehensive and confused, but I am starting to see things differently regarding my detox. I am becoming educated after only two days at this forum. I am the king of procrastination when it comes to beginning my detox. I am so scared that I will not know how to live without the methadone, but now I will go read everybody elses stories, and I will see how you folks have conquered your fears.

    Thanks again....

    LOL!!! Stan....you're way ahead of yourself.:)

    Focus, darlin'...focus. Don't go to the what if...20mg...what if. You're at 60mg...not 20mg.

    Look, kiddo...I gather you live alone, correct? So, it's going to be a little more difficult for you given that you get 3 months at a time. You're going to be in charge of your own taper...and may prove a slight stumbling block. Is there a [u]truste</u>d friend who can help you go through with your plan? I'm concerned because you have so much Methadone on hand that there may be a tendency to spike your dose (go up and down, up and down).

    I think your fear of calling your physician now and saying, hey doc...I want to get off of this sh*t is fear of committment to the process. In that, once your doctor knows, then you'll have to carry through with it. Sound right?

    Hun'...I haven't met many on Methadone who aren't the Queen or King of Procrastination. It goes with the territory. Fear...fear of not knowing whether we can live without Methadone. But the question you have to ask yourself is can you live with Methadone? What are the pluses and minuses? Have the negatives outweighed the positives? Only you know how this balance sheet looks in the end.

    And if your answer says that Methadone puts you in the red, the my answer would be YES...you can start this taper without your doctor. Your decision. You have the tools to do it. You don't have to ask anyone's permission. Your body...your life.

    Love,
    Ar

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    Stan the Man,
    Hi My name is Torrey. I am presently at 50mg of methadone down from 140mg, started Jan 23rd, 2007. I promise you if you begin to taper things will get better., I no longer sweat, I have lost 15 pounds, I can think more clearly, rarely nod out anymore, don't have to take several naps a day anymore, etc... It only gets better.
    Granted I feel terrible in the mornings before i TAKe my methadone, but theres going to be some pain Stan. THERES NO WAY AROUND THAT!!! NONE. Thats okay, the prize is well worth the pain. GL and GB Torrey

    They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself.

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