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    Supposed to be Undergoing an Ibogaine TreatmentSession for a Methadone Addiction in Less Than a Week!! - Any Suggestions??

    So I'll start off with a little history first:
    My dog has been on Methadone for almost 3 years now (it'll be 3 years this September).

    Before MMT, he was heavily addicted to Oxycodone, Heroin (when he could get it), and pretty much any other Opiate or Opioid that he could get his hands on (you know how it is), for approx. 2.5 years in total before he decided to go on MMT (so close to 5.5 years of Opiate/Opioid addiction in total now).


    It's come to that point now where my dog really wants off of these damn liquid hand-cuffs more than he can express in words, and he has wanted off for quite some time now. However, actually getting off is a BIG problem for him, and it literally seems next to impossible for my dog (especially after the multiple failed attempts at weaning down).

    Every day my dog wishes he were clean and able to experience life from a completely clear and sober view; rather than the dull, foggy Methadone glasses, that he has been accompanied with for years now...
    He wants his feelings and emotions back already, you know? And he absolutely hates having them stripped away from him like this.

    Overall, he has grown to despise Methadone completely, and he thinks it is an extremely nasty *** drug to have to live your life on IHO. He is merely"getting by" on Methadone (if you want to call it that even), but he's not living, nor is he enjoying his life...

    My dog HATES being numbed out like this, he really does. It's such a disgusting feeling... And the fact that Methadone does not produce any euphoria makes it all that much worse and hard to live on. It's kind of even like torture at this point in a way when he really thinks about it...

    The honey-moon phase has long gone and passed, and the Methadone has done its job quite a while ago already as well... He has been ready to come off of Methadone for a while now, but the actual problem is, THE GETTING OFF PART!

    It's funny, the last time my dog asked his new Doctor at the Clinic to start weaning him down, The Doctor actually laughed at him, right in his face in an ignorant kind of way, and then literally said to him, "and how do you expect to do that"? Almost as if they know how close to impossible, if not impossible, it actually is for us Methadone addicts to get off of this Nazi garbage! (This was right before my dog's last failed attempt at weaning down.. so I guess the Doctor was right that time...)

    My dog wishes to get sober and live sober; not to start using again. He's missed out on so damn much already over these last 5 and a half years of his addiction to Opiates/Opioids (sadly, my dog was a full blown Heroin addict at 18).

    Basically, he just wants his life back already... it's been such a long time, and he feels like he's at his wits end at this point...

    My dog seriously feels for anyone who has had to be trapped in the hell of what we know as "Opiate or Opioid addiction" any longer than this... he really does. 5 and a half years is long enough IMO.. it really is.


    My dog has tried weaning down multiple times, and every time he failed miserably, at the exact same spot to. Never ever being able to go any lower than 40mgs each time that he attempted to wean down!
    He always would think to himself that, "if it was as bad as it is at 40mgs a day, than how in the hell could he possibly handle being on any lower of a dose than that??" :S ... I mean, if you're at 40mgs a day, you still have quite a long ways to go, you know what I mean?

    And to make matters worse, at 40mgs of Methadone a day, my dog's body would forcefully wake him up each morning in an extremely bad withdrawal only 20 hours after he had taken his last dose of Methadone!!!

    So you could probably imagine just how early he would end up taking his dose, due to the extreme sickness and the availability of the Methadone... with the earliness of it getting earlier and earlier each day, always to a ridiculous extent (especially once the day came to go to his clinic and pick up his carries, as that day, he would be forced to wait for hours in hell, with time dragging by one second at a time, in a way that only a long time Opiate addict can understand). He would always be so scared of that one day of the week that he had to go to his clinic, for he knew just how many hours in agony he would have to wait, and unfortunately this still happens now a days, just not nearly to the same hellish extent, thanks to the 5mg increase (he is now at 45mgs of Methadone a day)..
    It was an exhausting and destructive cycle, which ALWAYS eventually lead to potentiators, at least until he could finally get his dose increased to a more manageable place.

    As was pointed out above, living life on 40mgs of Methadone a day was literally HELL for my dog, in a lot more ways than one; it would affect every aspect of his life, and even interfere with something as important as his job.

    And unfortunately, even when he tried staying on the dose of 40mgs of Methadone a day, even for as long as two months one time! The situation just didn't change for him and his body just wouldn’t fully adjust to the drop for some reason; leaving him in an eventual build-up of agony, that would eventually cause him to in the very least, relapse on Pot, just so he could have at least one "day off" from the hell that was his life...


    So with each new attempt, he still had to increase his dose every time at a point, always throwing in the towel at that 40mg mark. It's a wall that he just can't seem to get over no matter what he tries...

    My dog has even tried substituting the Methadone for Kratom! As well as also using the Kratom while weaning down (simply as an aid), and both of these attempts failed miserably, and in the end only gave him two addictions, rather than the one; Which = both the Methadone and a very heavy, high quality Kratom habit, of approx. 30-40 grams a day of the stuff in the form of crushed/powdered leaf (all on top of his dose of Methadone). This he hated, and things got ugly very fast...
    Luckily though, my dog was only addicted to the Kratom for about 3 months in total, and was able to successfully get himself completely off of the Kratom eventually after quite a few attempts. And now, has been off of it for quite a few months, with cravings to the substance non-existent finally (thank God!)

    So to finally wrap up the history part of this post (sorry it was so long);
    Right now my dog is back to living on the Methadone by itself (no Kratom thankfully), and is at 45mgs a day right now.

    He cannot go any lower than this as he stated above, and already wakes up sick enough at this dose as it is, as he also mentioned above.

    (He should also note that the highest he's ever been on Methadone was 90mgs a day, and this was back when he first started the program).



    Now, below is the part of the post where I am going to get into the actual Ibogaine/iboga treatment (which I will be undergoing in
    less than a week from now):

    My dog understands about the test dose (100mgs of Ibogaine HCl), that is done before the actual flood dose of Ibogaine or iboga is administered (the flood dose for my dog will be 1300mgs of Ibogaine HCl for my dog). He also has read through a bunch of other articles, and FAQs, guides, etc.. all about Ibogaine/iboga and the experience (MANY trip-reports), safety, the actual treatment itself, afterwards, seen multiple movies, testimonials, news clips etc.. However, there are still a few things that he was not able to find through his extensive research, and he has read pretty much EVERYTHING available online that he could find. *

    My dog would really like to hear from anyone who has used Ibogaine to treat a Methadone addiction (or a long-acting Opioid addiction for that matter), and hopefully hear exactly how your experience was and how you were treated, or exactly how the Ibogaine or iboga was administered, word for word if possible (before,during and after in a nutshell). *

    Anyone at all with experience with Ibogaine/iboga and Opiate/Opioid addiction would be helpful to hear from all in all though (not just long-acting Opiates/Opioids).

    Again, he's read up on and watched, all that he can find on Ibogaine/iboga, yet he still has a few questions/concerns that he's really hoping to get answered before his actual experience (in less than a week from now*). These he will get into below:

    Because Methadone's a long-acting Opioid and all, my dog is a little confused about the boosters that he has read should be followed the days after the actual flood dose, or pretty much "whenever needed". And he was wondering if anyone can explain how they are supposed to work exactly in an easier to understand manner than what he was already able to find??

    And what dose do you think the boosters should be given at as well?

    Part of why my dog is as confused as he is by the boosters is because; he has used 100-200mgs of an iboga extract before as a sort of a test dose (which was approx. 45-50% Ibogaine). This was taken in the morning, in place of what would normally be his usual dose of Methadone... Now the small dose did seem to get rid of most, if not all of his morning sickness at first.. But, it only got rid of the sickness for approx. two hours MAX, and then BOOM, he was back to feeling his usual dope sick self, due to the usual "Methadone morning sickness".

    So I guess he's confused that if the smaller doses only lasted, or got rid of his sickness, for a maximum of 2 hours back than, then how are boosters supposed to help after the actual treatment with the flood dose is done and has passed?? (Seeing as the boosters will be small doses of Ibogaine or iboga, similar to the "test dose" that was taken previously (above))...

    Can anyone help explain this better to my dog? And hopefully explain how boosters are supposed to be used afterwards? And how they are supposed to work for something like a Methadone addiction (or a long-acting Opioid addiction)??


    He also is a little confused about the actual flood dose...

    Now he would be consuming the Ibogaine at least 24-30 hours after his last dose of Methadone (in place of what would normally be his next dose of Methadone; when he is in withdrawal). He should also note that at the24 hour mark, my dog wakes up incredibly sick as it is, due to his very fast metabolism, so he would have a VERY hard time waiting much past the 24 hour mark to begin the actual Ibogaine treatment itself.

    What he's confused about though is, an hour after the test dose (100mgs of Ibogaine HCl), should he just take the whole flood dose all at once? (His actual flood dose would be 1300mgs of Ibogaine HCl).

    This is what has been really confusing him as well, as he's heard of some people splitting the flood dose up and taking parts of it at separate time intervals (like for example, half and half, with the last half taken 3 hours after the first half). He understands that
    the amount of Ibogaine, or Noribogaine, will build up in the system either way, correct??

    He's worried though that if he doesn't take the whole flood dose all at once (1300mgs HCl), that it won't work as well in the end, or that it won't be as effective...
    Is this true in your opinion?? Or does this not matter, due to the fact that it is supposed to build up in the system?
    And in your opinion, how do you think he should do it exactly?? Or how would you do it if you were in my dogs shoes? The flood dose taken all at once (1300mgs of Ibogaine HCl)?? Or separated by hourly intervals?


    Because he is on Methadone, his dose will be equivalent to 20mgs/kg of Ibogaine HCl.

    Can anyone please explain this whole process better to my dog? As he is a bit confused as to how to do this the best way, and he really wants to do this right...

    Once again, he has less than half a week until his actual treatment.


    Just the fact that he is on Methadone makes everything that much more confusing and hard to figure out. He's scared that it won't work because he is on such a long-acting Opioid. But he also understands that he is only on 45mgs of Methadone a day, which is a fairly low dose of Methadone to a lot of people.

    There isn't much experience reports online with Methadone and Ibogaine/Iboga unfortunately, and the one's that do exist don't exactly explain how to administer the Ibogaine/iboga and all that, or answer the questions asked above (there more just actual trip-reports, and not the actual process of administration and all that, etc.).


    I should also note that switching to short-acting Opiates/Opioids beforehand is not an option for my dog whatsoever, period.

    My dog just wants everything to be done right, you know? He feels like he is running out of time here, as the treatment will be done in less than a week I'm pretty sure.

    But he is still confused in a few areas and a bit scared as well tbh. He was really hoping somebody with more experience with Ibogaine or iboga could really help him out. Or assure him in some sort of way? I know Bonita has experience with Ibogaine/iboga, so I am hoping to here from her sometime during this threads existance.


    My dog has read the Ibogaine guides on different forums and parts of the net, including Howard Lotsof's complete guide. He has watched multiple videos, downloaded everything he could find, read everything he could find, documented everything important.. but again, being on Methadone makes this all that much more hard and confusing in the end. And really, there's only so much a person can find online...

    He's pretty much looked through it all at this point like he said (or all that he could find at least), yet he's still a bit confused as you can see (especially since he's doing this at home; as unsafe as a lot of people may think that that is, as he is well aware). But again, at home is his ONLY option, so please bear with him here....

    It is for that reason that my dog is trying to find out as much as he can beforehand, and make the experience as safe as possible; In order to do that though, he literally needs your guys help!

    He needs to hear from others who have used Ibogaine or iboga for its"addiction interruption" properties (specifically for an Opiate or Opioid addiction of any kind when it comes down to it).


    He knows already that it would be best to do it at an actual Ibogaine treatment center, but unfortunately he cannot afford that whatsoever period, and is at his wits end. So that is out of the question, like he already pointed out above...
    But he is however, trying his best to learn all the ropes beforehand; and how to do it as safe as possible and properly at home.

    He already has all the supplies, the trip-sitter, and it is completely legal where he lives as well.


    He will be having a good trip-sitter around, who will have read up and seen everything that my dog has beforehand. The trip-sitter also works in a hospital and deals with a lot of intense patient care, and has gone through a lot of different experiences during her 10 + years working in this field, and has taken care of a lot of different kind of people over the years as well. So in that way, his trip-sitter is already educated on a lot of different safety areas thanks to their job.

    Once again, my dog has done a test dose with an iboga extract before a few times, and everything was normal each time, and no adverse reactions were reported.
    For safety reasons though, he will do a test dose again the day of his actual treatment session with approx. 100mgs of Ibogaine HCl, about 1-2 hours before the actual flood dose.


    He feels like the Ibogaine is one of his last options to free himself of this evil Methadone/Opiate addiction.

    He has also had a complete physical done twice in the last two years, with one done recently, with the paperwork around still to prove it, showing all of the results. He had EVERYTHING tested, and in the end, EVERYTHING came out normal and fine, and he was told specifically that he is completely healthy in ALL areas (as he asked to get EVERYTHING tested at the time, due to his previous active Opiate addiction with his previous DOC's; He wanted to make sure that he didn't mess anything up, with all of his previous drug use, at the time). He is also a pretty young fella still, so I guess that sort of helps, depending on how you look at it.

    Any helpful tips that you can chime in at this point would be very helpful. Feel free to add anything that you think could be of help (you don't only have to answer the questions that have been asked both above and below). ANYTHING at all would be of help really. **

    Is there anyone out there who has used Ibogaine or iboga to treat a Methadone, or long-acting Opiate/Opioid addiction?? And if so, is there any way you can give me as many specifics on your treatment as possible, as well as the results?
    The same goes for
    ANYONE who has done an Ibogaine or iboga treatment before, to cure, or to "interupt" an Opiate/Opioid addiction OF ANY KIND (not just a long-acting Opiate/Opioid).


    My dog would love to hear from ANYONE with some actual experience with Ibogaine/Iboga, and treating an Opiate/Opioid addiction in general .

    Again, feel free to add ANYTHING that you think is necessary for my dog to know...
    *(besides the fact that doing it at home is dangerous, as he already knows this and is trying to find out the safest way that he could do this at home through this post and more, as well as all of his previous research on Ibogaine/iboga.)*


    Once again, doing it at home like this is my dogs only option, as he and his family are very poor, so this is the best they can do when it comes to an actual "Ibogaine treatment".

    So basically I guess my dog is trying to find out the safest way to do Ibogaine/Iboga at home? As well as learn even more about it in general, from people who have actually been there.

    This all means more to my dog than you know, and any helpful tips or information would be much appreciated, more than my dog could ever express into words.


    Experiences or your own trip reports and the results would also be super fantastic to hear..

    But generally, ANYTHING at all really, that would be of help in ANY way would be awesome and extremely appreciated.
    If anyone can help answer any of the questions/concerns above, or even add your own input on this subject, you would literally be my dog's hero!!

    Once again, he is undergoing the treatment with 1300mgs of Ibogaine HCl in less than a week. *


    Thank you for reading! And I apologize for the lengthiness of the post.
    I really do appreciate it though, and I hope to hear from you guys sometime soon.

    Peace.






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    Default Re: Methadone to Ibogaine? Need some help from anyone who's experienced with Ibogaine

    I have one question for you: why is switching to a SAO not an option? I don't know whether it is even possible for ibogaine to work, going straight from methadone. My understanding is that given a single flood dose, you'd still be in for some really heavy withdrawal.

    Otherwise, I have nothing but good things to say about ibogaine. No, it is not a magic bullet, and I did not like the actual experience, but it did get me clean. And I'd just about given up on that.

    Hopefully, Bonita or someone else who knows more will weigh in here, but I don't think going straight from methadone to ibogaine is a good idea; I don't think it will give you what you're looking for.
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    Default Re: Methadone to Ibogaine? Need some help from anyone who's experienced with Ibogaine

    It is simply not an option for me:
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    ue to not only finances, but also the fact that I haven't used SAO in almost 3 years now, and don't desire to take the chance of having that beast awakened. I'm scared that if I switched to SAO I wouldn't stop using them. Especially when you look at how it turned out for me when I tried switching to Kratom (I got addicted to the Kratom, and that was only Kratom!)
    (I have an extremely addictive personality)

    I do know that there are successful reports of people who have detoxed off of Methadone using Ibogaine though. And 45mgs of Methadone is a fairly low dose to boot.

    But yeah, it's just not an option for me, period. I don't even have a job right now as it is, and have run out of finances at this point.

    My family will also not support the switch as well.

    And I didn't go on Methadone just to go back to SAO, you know what I mean??

    I should also point out that if the Ibogaine treatment works, I will be going to a residential Rehab sort of place shortly afterwards and staying there (which is free for me luckily). As I know Ibogaine is not a magic bullet, and that work still needs to be done afterwards to successfully stay sober.
    It is merely an "addiction interupter".

    I know going from Suboxone - Ibogaine is well known as a waste of money, because of how much the Sub sticks to the opiate receptors. But as far as I know, Methadone seems to be diffferent and just requires more Ibogaine (20mgs/kg instead of the usual 10mgs/kg for SAO).

    And like I said, I have read quite a few successful trip-reports already of people who have went from Methadone to Ibogaine, and they were ALL on higher doses of Methadone as well.

    Good question though.
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    Good choice on not going back to the short acting opiates. Bad choice on attempting Ibogaine on your own. Taper would be a better choice but addiction-thinking is usually surrounded by a need for instant gratification when there is no such thing when stopping Methadone. ANYBODY can taper if they do it slow enough, make a well thought out plan, and follow through with it. Unfortunately most of us keeping going in circles trying to use drugs to get off of drugs. Some of us (me) had to try everything before utilizing a long, deliberate taper to successfully get off and stay off.

    Anyway, I hope it works out for you. Giving up your freedom and soul to be a part of "maintenance treatment" sucks worse than anything I have ever experienced. (Sorry if I sound harsh -- after over 6 years off the maintenance-go-round I have lost the perspective of someone still in it.)
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    Very dangerous and so not nessesassry. Funny I read this tonight. I just left the ICU. Very sad. Another person did just what your planning to do. Her mom is so angry with vender who sold the stuff and from what she said was guided by a women who didn't even look at EKG, didn't even ask if one was done. Now this women is on vent, MD said he suspects the hypoxia was due to heart stopping during her iboga experience. Methadone is know to prolong qt interval...iboga will prolong qt..NOT maybe, it does.

    The mom is getting police involved, DEA also since the vender told them methadone/iboga together is fine. I actually don't feel the mom or the girl has a leg to stand on and only hurting chances for USA to go forward with this wonderfull plant. I told them both that this was not recommended, dangerous and wiser to wait 30 days after switching to sao.

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    Default Re: Methadone to Ibogaine? Need some help from anyone who's experienced with Ibogaine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleanwithdreams7 View Post
    It is simply not an option for me:
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    ue to not only finances, but also the fact that I haven't used SAO in almost 3 years now, and don't desire to take the chance of having that beast awakened. I'm scared that if I switched to SAO I wouldn't stop using them. Especially when you look at how it turned out for me when I tried switching to Kratom (I got addicted to the Kratom, and that was only Kratom!)
    (I have an extremely addictive personality)

    I do know that there are successful reports of people who have detoxed off of Methadone using Ibogaine though. And 45mgs of Methadone is a fairly low dose to boot.

    But yeah, it's just not an option for me, period. I don't even have a job right now as it is, and have run out of finances at this point.

    My family will also not support the switch as well. A

    nd I didn't go on Methadone just to go back to SAO, you know what I mean??

    I should also point out that if the Ibogaine treatment works, I will be going to a residential Rehab sort of place shortly afterwards and staying there (which is free for me luckily). As I know Ibogaine is not a magic bullet, and that work still needs to be done afterwards to successfully stay sober.
    It is merely an "addiction interupter".

    I know going from Suboxone - Ibogaine is well known as a waste of money, because of how much the Sub sticks to the opiate receptors. But as far as I know, Methadone seems to be diffferent
    and just requires more Ibogaine (20mgs/kg instead of the usual 10mgs/kg for SAO).

    And like I said, I have read quite a few successful trip-reports already of people who have went from Methadone to Ibogaine, and they were ALL on higher doses of Methadone as well

    Good question though.
    Obvoiously you didnt read how it was done...I bet not all at one time. Better do more research or you could end up like the women I saw tonight.
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    I get the whole safety thing, but my decisions already made. And now that it is, I'm looking for as much helpful tips as I can (besides "don't do it"), from people who have actual experience with Ibogaine. Not critical judgements instead (no offense).

    I am well aware how unsafe Ibogaine can be (especially if done outside an actual treatment facility). But again, that's why I was asking for as much safety adivce or tips/suggestions that you can give on how I can make this experience safer (seeing as my decision's already made).

    A life on Methadone is no life to live at all, and I can't even express into words how sick I am of living on this junk at this point. It's actually like torture IMO having to live on MMT. It's crazy.

    And when it comes to tapering, freakedout... believe it or not.. not everyone can do it.

    Also try to keep in mind that I have already tried going down the slowest they will let me go down (multiple times), and just can't make it past 40mgs a day (hell I can't even maintain on 40mgs a day!.. I became suicidal at that dose, and that was only 40mgs a day!!! Like what the hell!). Also, my clinic only lets you wean down by 2.5mgs at a time maximum (i.e. that's the slowest they allow you to go down by). As well as, no longer than by every two weeks, also their MAX (i.e the slowest they'll let you go, unfortunately). I've tried weaning down multiple times and have always failed, no matter how bad I wanted or still want off (even when I tried doing it with Kratom as an aid!! I still failed.. and I was using a **** TON of Kratom!!!)... Like I said in my above posts, I just cannot seem to be able to do it, and I hate that fact (for me, weaning down off of Methadone is pretty much impossible).
    Ibogaine may only be my only way out. And I have wanted off of these liquid handcuffs for too long already...

    Even the clinic seems to think its more of an impossible motion, and leans towards staying on the liquid handcuffs for life. It's scary how corrupt it all is.

    So again, Ibogaine might be my last way out... And I know Ibogaine's not some magic bullet either... I'm not stupid. And that there's still work that's going to have to be done afterwards. And I don't expect it to be easy, and am willing to do that work afterwards (for example, living in a residential addiction treatment center afterwards).
    I just need help getting over this acute part is all.

    And obviously going cold-turkey from 45mgs of Methadone is not an option either, if I can't even handle my mornings that I am sick (24 hours after the last dose of Methadone). Methadone's a beast!

    And I'm sure everyone who's done Ibogaine will know what I mean when I say, it's like vacuum afterwards, and that you have to act fast and do the work towards staying sober (rather than expecting the Ibogaine to do it all for you). It's not a cure. It's merely an addiction interupter. And I am aware of that.

    Also Bonita, I am well aware that Methadone causes QT prolongation, but I don't think you understand how fast my metabolism is. I will be well into withdrawals when I do use the Ibogaine (I don't metabolise Methadone like the average bear, like it's seriously rediculous how sick I am at the 24 hour mark).
    Also, studies suggest that only high doses (60mgs or higher) of Methadone are known to cause QT prolongation (I'm talking about Methadone on its own, not in combination with other substances, or Ibogaine, etc.). And once again, I'm on a fairly low dose of Methadone (45mgs a day of Methadone).

    From what I have learnt though, some providers split up the whole Ibogaine dose to make it an easier trip on the person. So I will probably do this. All I was asking in my first post is if doing this (splitting up your flood dose and not taking it all at once) would make it les effective in the end... But my senses are telling me NO, because the noribogaine will most likely build up in your system to the same level overall either way. I guess I just wanted some assurance there..

    Thanks for the concerns though I guess. I didn't expect to get much outta the forums anyways, seeing as they're built around safety and that not too much people have experience with Ibogaine.

    I simply thought Bonita would be able to share more about her own experience(s) with Ibogaine to me and how it was done or administered, as well as the end result for her. But not everything revolves around me.. I get it.

    And Bonita, did I not read that your second experience with Ibogaine that you were planning on doing was going to be done at your house, rather than at a treatment provider?

    I guess I was looking to see if anyone would add any other good tips or suggestions, not critisize my decision. Again, I am aware of how dangerous this can be, but that's why I was looking for your guys help to put the finishing touches on "how to safely do an at home Ibogaine treatment" or, "the safest possible way for someone like me to". N like I said, the desicion has already been made.. quite a while ago to actually. It wasn't just an overnight thing.. I've been researching and putting stuff together for this for quite some time now.

    And it's not like I bought the Ibogaine off of the street either lol. It's pure legal product.

    Thanks anyways all I guess. Hopefully someone who's actually done the Ibogaine treatment will chime in with maybe a generous sharing of how their experience was and how it was administered to them. That would be nice to hear before I go in to this. But if not, that's fine to.

    I get the whole "safety thing" when it comes to the forums, and hell, maybe you guys aren't even allowed to give me tips, or share your own experiences, etc., because of the rules on this forum.

    So that's cool.

    Peace.
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    ???? Not true only low dose methadone with iboga causes qt problems. But my friend who is now brain dead...wasn't on as much as you right now. I have seen qt intervals go from .345 to .540 just adding clonidine.

    Yes, I did my second tx underground in my home. Wasn't from methadone and had a trained provider.


    But, your choice, your life. No way I can add anything to help when going at it like you are. You do realize iboga does Not kick opiates off receptor but will replace once free.? Ibogo itself WILL prolong qt interval....pretty scary to watch cardiac monitor for those 72 hrs. Sorta sorry that I had that opportunity...ignorance is bliss in this case. Now that Ive seen all the arrhythmia's that will go on..only heightens my fear and respect for the plant.

    That's why going from sub to iboga dosnt work. Yeah affinity strong toward receptor them methadone but...never mind. Good luck
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    First of all, thanks for the good luck wish Bonita. And I'm very sorry to hear about your friend.

    ...

    So I copied this off of one of the Ibogaine guides out there, and I figured I'd show a clear example of how confusing these things can be. Below is a section I copied out from the guide explaining about dosing with Ibogaine (for anyone interested):

    "Note that this is for pure ibogaine HCl, one of two forms of the drug commonly available in Europe. The other is the "Indra iboga extract," which is believed to be approximately one quarter the strength of pure HCl, meaning clients will require roughly four times the amount. Although the "Indra" product is becoming increasingly available in Europe, it is known to induce more vomiting than the HCl. In January 2000, a 40 year old heroin addict died in London after vomit clogged his airways some 40 hours after taking a dose of this extract.

    For opiate addicts, such as those using heroin or methadone, the dose of ibogaine HCl is typically doubled, to around 20mg/k for men, and 18mg/k for women. This is because the opiates in a person's system partially block ibogaine's effect.
    It is recommended that ibogaine only be given as a single dose, in the range of 9-10 mg/k. From what is known, this appears to be the safest way to take the drug, bearing in mind that higher doses can always be taken in subsequent sessions if necessary. When re-dosing, it is recommended to wait at least one month as ibogaine and its metabolites linger in the body." - (Copied)

    In the above information, it says that it's not recommended to take more than 10mgs/kg at a time of Ibogaine HCl. So I get that... But than above that, it says that, Methadone addicts need 20mgs/kg of Ibogaine HCl. This is what leaves me a bit confused.

    I'm guessing though that I should take half and half than maximum (which would = to 10mgs/a kg at a time) to be on the safe side of things; with the other half taken hours after the first one.

    It'd be nice to find an actual, well done manual, on EXACTLY how to do it, step by step and everything, you know? Like for the people who don't have thousands and thousands of dollars to go to those kinds of places that do it all there.

    I wouldn't want to play russion rullet with such a thing, as doing so is severely stupid and dangerous obviouisly, and I'm pretty into safety myself believe it or not.

    Truly, if I was rich enough, I'd totally go to an Ibogaine treatment facility in a heart beat.

    And it pisses me off that "The Prince of Pot"(aka Marc Emery) is in jail right now... Considering the fact that he actually gave away free Ibogaine treatment sessions to help others! All from the profit that he made from selling the seeds that got him arrested to begin with (don't even get me started on that one!). What a guy though eh?? That's super generous.
    I would have totally been down to go down there and meet up with him and get treated for free! Everywhere else is in the triple digits, and I'm lucky if I even have double digits in my pocket realistically.

    But hey, I have until the weekend to research all that I can (even though there's not much more I can find on the net that I haven't already come across). So I guess I'll just keep lookin and fillin my noggin with info until the time comes.

    I should also note that the only medication I'm on is Methadone right now. Not clonidine or other medications, no supplements whatsoever or herbs... NOTHIN but a Centrum multi-vitamin/mineral and my daily dose of Methadone...
    I am also very young and healthy (still in the low 20's). And I don't have any problems with my health according to my Dcotr and all the checkups and tests that I have gotten done... besides this damn addiction to Methadone that is.

    I Used to be on Anti-depressants though (almost a year ago), which also causes QT prolongation. And it felt very dangerous mixing them together with my Methadone from what I remember (especially after reading about the death of Anna Nicole Smith's son and all). But hey, Doctors don't seem to pay attention to that kinda stuff... instead they just push and push the ADs and continue to make their money. It's discusting.
    Fortunately for me, I couldn't stand the stuff whatsoever (I HATED IT), and I jumped off of the ADs in less than a month after starting them. I remember it feeling very unsafe though while I was still taking them, especially when I had to mix them together with my Methadone at the exact same time (while the ADs just kept building up more and more in my system each day that I was on them)...
    And it potentiated my Methadone way too much to! (Research even suggests that AD's can potentiate Methadone's overall plasma levels to toxic and extremely dangerous amounts!)... The whole situation actually felt very dangerous to me at the time, and I was very thankful to be off of the ADs for a lot of reasons once that time came.

    Anyways, I was just looking for some help when I started this thread. I know how it is though.

    No worries. And thanks anyways.
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    Default Re: Methadone to Ibogaine? Need some help from anyone who's experienced with Ibogaine

    I figured I share a few successful trip-reports from people who were stuck on Methadone and decided to use Ibogaine as their way out.

    The first one below is an at home success story, from somebody who was on a higher dose of Methadone then me, and decided to do his own at home Ibogaine treatment:

    "Hi guys , i am Hank and i am 36 years old and i was addicted on methadone the past 8 years. I was using methadone daily and needed a minimal of 125 mg/d. I have a good job and i can pay for the methadone so that was no problem, after getting sicker and sicker along the way and loosing grip of my life and my work, also relationships i decided it was time to get rid of the methadone addiction. But i realized that it would be the hartest battle of my life. Getting clean and staying clean. A long way to go. Than i heard about Ibogaine, so i started to read on the internet about ibogaine. Surprisingly there where a lot of people having used ibogaine one single treatment and are clean for years now. So that when i decided i wante d that, getting clean with ibogaine. Than i found Iboga World and i started getting contact with Michelle from Iboga World. So whe have talked about my addiction and how much ibogaine i needed and how the process of getting clean from methadone would be. I have done the treatment with ibogaine in my own house with a very very good friend stayed with me a long the way. And than it happened, the first day after 8 years i not needed methadone. It was and still is a amazing experience. I am now clean and undepended of methadone for 7 months. I am happy and everything is going well. Michelle thank you. I hope a lot of people who have some kind of addiction are going to contact you, so you can help them also. Thank you and a lot of love.
    Greetings
    Hank"
    The one above was copied from
    :http://www.ibogaworld.com/category/t...t-information/


    Below is another trip-report, of a man who successfully got off of a fairly high dose Methadone habit also using Ibogaine. This one was done at an Ibogaine treatment center; rather than at home, but it more or less explains how the total flood dose should be split up, giving me more assurance, or more or less pointing me more towards the right direction.
    I figured I'd share the link here if there's anyone stuck on Methadone and interested in checking it out (or for anyone interested in it for that matter, stuck on Methadone or not; it's actually a really great trip-report to read). Check it out: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=41752


    Cheers.
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    Hello Clean,

    Truth is, I no longer recall exactly what happened that morning in Mexico. It's been years. Don't recall exactly how many. It's been, cripes, 8 years? A decade? Also don't recollect how many doses I was given. I think it was two. Two doses. Maybe just one...then, the next morning, a "booster." How much I received in my original dose, I have NO idea..nor do I have any clue what the quantity of that next-day booster was.

    In any case, here's a brief summary of what I do recall of my Ibogaine experience.

    I'd been addicted to Opiates for many years prior to deciding on Methadone Maintenance. Yes, that was a bad decision, but that's a tale for another time.
    After deciding on MMT, I STAYED on it for 4.5 years. Like you, I wanted off...and like you, I was not succeeding in getting off.

    Cut to: That morning in Mexico, in a small, modest house on the coast, about 20 miles south of San Diego. As I recall, I had dosed the DAY before my morning train ride to San Diego. I had be admonished to NOT dose at least two days before my Ibo treatment. Ahhh, addiction.

    In any case...I was dosing at 70mgs a day. It MAY have been 55mgs...tho I think it was 70.

    Bottom line? It worked. However, I did not have a good experience on the Ibo. In fact, I had a pretty crummy, half-close to terrifying experience. Frightening, it was. However, aside from those TWO frightening "moments," I recall NOTHING else happening. Nothing spiritual. The entire thing was essentially...black. Dark, everywhere it was dark. Somewhere I heard a drumbeat, low but steady. But so damn dark.

    Then came the two..visions. Visions? I suppose. But again, another tale for another time.

    I awoke the next morning exceedingly tired. Freakin exhausted is what I was. T-i-r-e-d! Yet I was NOT in withdrawals. After having been a severe drug addict for something-like 20 years, including 4.5 on MMT---and after enduring the agonies of withdrawal time after time after time...I wasn't in them. At least 95% pain-free. That remaining 5% I now describe as...residual withdrawals, tho I'm not at all certain there was any at all. I was, however, pretty beat up.

    That afternoon I'm on the train again, going home...back to LA. Tired and hungry. But. No withdrawals.

    For quite a long time, my sleep was messed up, so far as being ABLE to sleep. Beyond 3-4 hours a night, I mean---tho I didn't feel unwell.

    Maybe that 5% figures in here, during that first couple of weeks back home. I was not perfect, nor perfectly well. Please understand. I want to be clear. Yet I was NOT in any sort of dope withdrawals. Yes, I found that to be incredible...and I give all the credit to Ibogaine.

    For me it worked.

    The PROBLEM, Mr/Ms Clean, is that I did NOT work it! I did NO WORK on my own behalf. And in less than 3 weeks following my "delivery" from the chains of MMT, I was right back doing dope...again. I was, in less than a blink, right back to living my life in full Active Addiction.

    One must (as in YOU must!) use this "window of opportunity" to work on your emotional/mental/spirutual issues. Every addict I know, or have ever known, used dope as his solution to Life Problems. I had to learn that drugs were NOT my problem; I had to learn that I was my problem. I was my problem...and drugs made my life worse. Always.

    If you go through with your Ibo Adventure and if, God willing, you survive it intact, use your time off-the-dope well.

    Ibogaine CAN be a useful tool. But it ain't, as you have said, a cure. You're right. There is no cure, no Magic Bullet.

    For me, I needed Group Support. I simply could NOT get clean 'n sober on my own. Some can, I'm sure. I could not. For me, AA/NA provided the support I needed. They ain't the only sane-game in town, tho. There are other Support Groups (including personal therapy) that can help you regain your sanity.

    I was insane...and I was deluded. And to this day, I am astonished by how foggy and unclear I actually was.

    Anyway...I am digressing. There you have it, some of my story.

    Good luck.

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