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    quote:Originally posted by Cammie

    BTW, where did this thread came from? I loved it!! I'm still laughing over the fire part. Thats just too funny....Where the heck are these girls??? Cammie
    'Mornin' Cammie ~

    Stephanie seems to have been the explorer and re-discovered it. I too had never seen it. It's truly excellent from a [u]long-term </u> MMT user aspect.

    And I also wonder where these women are. They developed a wonderful sister-hood.

    Hope they are well and no longer on Methadone. Hope they are now happy, joyous and free. Much love, Ar


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    yep thats the bad part people come,and go here,and there are some i miss saying hi to. I hate to see Sean go too. But i was wondering Stefanie was saying there are meetings for people who want to get of off mdone? Where are they,and what are they called? Can i look them up in my phone book? Do you guys know of these meetings? Thanx

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    quote:Originally posted by Pam bass

    yep thats the bad part people come,and go here,and there are some i miss saying hi to. I hate to see Sean go too. But i was wondering Stefanie was saying there are meetings for people who want to get of off mdone? Where are they,and what are they called? Can i look them up in my phone book? Do you guys know of these meetings? Thanx
    Hi PAMMIE ~

    The meetings are called Methadone Anonymous.

    However, I believe (unless I'm totally out to lunch which is always possible in which case, no doubt, someone will come along and tell me so)that they are more geared for support of MMT [u]staying </u> ON Methadone. This was certainly the case "back in the day."

    There could be, I suppose, assistance offered for those looking to get off. But my understanding is that it is for those opting to stay on...and living a daily life as a MMT patient. Love, Ar [:X]


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    Essence was here not too long ago. I suspect her post was lost in the crash 'cause I can't find it. She was still clean after completing her detox last year around this time. I wish some of the old timers would drop in more often :)

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    I remember when I was very young and had the mental attitude that I could conquer anything, that I was really smart and there wasn't anything that I couldn't do...

    if you had told me at that time that when I grew older I would be addicted to heavy opiates I would of laughed so hard. I wanted so bad to keep my body clean and I swore I would smoke grass but that I would NEVER use needles. It was only two years later at age 14 that that first needle went into my arm and I loved it. It was speed. The opiates came way later in my 20's from serious pain and I really liked the opiate high. It made me feel "normal".

    It is my belief that we have different brains that are lacking or do not function properly and in order to heal ourselves we need to get the endorphins working on their own. The only natural way I know of is exercise, the heart pumping break a sweat kind until you get that "runners high". Ever swim for a long time and feel so relaxed and peaceful afterwards? Or work real hard or climb a mountain exhaust yourself doing something , but always feel good afterwards.

    The other thing is Essential Fatty Acids found in different foods. You know the omegas that we have been hearing so much about? I have found out how powerful one of them can be, Evening Primrose Oil is so powerfully healing in the brain that it can throw a tapering addict into serious fullblown withdrawals within 24 hours. When one is off the opiates it can do amazing things for the healing of the brain.

    There is hope and there are ways to not suffer with Post Accute withdrawals

    Nutrition is so important and we are NOT taught it in school or life and we need to learn it on our own to eat whole foods in their natural state with lots of fresh foods like apples and oranges or broccoli, carrots and any other veggie you may like.
    ther are enzymes and amino acids in natural foods that our bodies are designed to function at it's best with.

    All the horrid things that are blamed on Methadone are really the results of eating poorly and eating things we know are bad for us. All the sweets that we carve are really cravings for foods that give us energy. Believe it or not, GREEN foods give us energy. Look at nature, cows for example, their diet consists mostly of grasses and look how big they grow and all the milk they can produce all on a diet of grasses and grains. Humans also can thrive on veggies and nuts, fruits and grains,
    beans and any food you can think of in it's natural state. Like eat nuts RAW not roasted, eat brown rice not white, same for bread, sprouted grain bread is really the best and tastes really good too, especially toasted with butter and honey. Yummy.

    Did you know for example the foods that have the most calcium in them are green leafy veggies and green foods in general. Cows milk is not the best source of calcium, even an orange has better absorbable calcium and cabbage too!
    Did you know that weight bearing exercise not only grows muscle but it makes your bones stronger.
    Not enough can be said on the benefits of exercise.
    My favorite is biking (on a bicycle :)
    I love the feeling of being in the wind and close enough to reach out and touch a tree or have a bird fly close to my face. Bugs have a tendency to hit me while I am riding also..one of the small downfalls.
    However you can exercise...get out there and do it. No matter how you do it, just walk out the door and power walk, it may be hard at first, you may have to really force yourself, but the more you do the better you feel.

    Exercise or you will end up like I was for 4 years (Meth stole my life) and not be able to exercise without serious fatique and pain...it was awful, but I started to take extra protein and Glutamine and some other things, now I can exercise again!
    You see, Methadone has the tendency to take away the stomachs ability to absorb and utilize the food you eat and it leaves us in a state of malnourishment:
    see the following:http://www.dpeg.org/treatment/methadone_withdrawal.htm

    I have a tendency myself to ramble on but I know

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    quote:Originally posted by peacenik

    Essence was here not too long ago. I suspect her post was lost in the crash 'cause I can't find it. She was still clean after completing her detox last year around this time. I wish some of the old timers would drop in more often

    Dave
    Me too...me too :):););)

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    I also believe that Methadone eats away at the calcium. I have since been diagnosed with osteoporosis.-Arelene

    Many woman your age are diagnosed with this disease Arlene. The best way to make sure you don't get it, or that you stop the progression of it once you do, is to have a bone density check each and every time you have a mammogram. I believe its after fifty you should go every year?

    Methadone does cause dry mouth and if you don't keep up with it, it will cause the bacteria in your mouth to mulitply and cause cavities. All opoioid have this same effect. The best way to prevent this is the new toothpaste COLGATE TOTAL? Even if your planning a methadone taper you should consider using these hints while your on methadone or pain medication (or heroin for that matter-lol)--

    -each time you eat ANYTHING rinse your mouth out with water. Keep water at your bedside and if you get up in the night take a swig and swish it around your mouth.

    -use Colgate Total at least twice a day to brush your teeth

    -FLOSS FLOSS AND FLOSS as often as you remember to but at least do it once every other day.

    -Get a cleaning at the Dentist and have them check for cavities at least three times a year, instead of the two times recommended for people not on opioid medications.

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    quote:Originally posted by labrat

    I also believe that Methadone eats away at the calcium. I have since been diagnosed with osteoporosis.-Arelene

    Many woman your age are diagnosed with this disease Arlene. The best way to make sure you don't get it, or that you stop the progression of it once you do, is to have a bone density check each and every time you have a mammogram. I believe its after fifty you should go every year?

    Methadone does cause dry mouth and if you don't keep up with it, it will cause the bacteria in your mouth to mulitply and cause cavities. All opoioid have this same effect...
    I thank you for your concern regarding my medical health, Kristin.

    However, it's no longer a concern for me given that I'm OFF of Methadone for 42 months at this point. I have just learned to live with consequences of 15 years ON Methadone.

    Did you take a look...really take the time to read...this thread or did you just decide to jump in with the facile, MMT community answers to the problem?

    The problem is, Kristin, long-term Methadone. The solution is, IMHO, getting off.

    This is a thread that I only just saw today. It is a thread written by several other women dating back a year ago. It is, however, a thread I could have written.

    You can pull ever self-serving "MAT"/MMT study out that you want, but in the end, Kristin...the truth for many of us who were on long-term Methadone is right here on this forum.



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    No offense, Arelene--but I really wasn't posting it for you. You've have clearly already made up your mind what has caused every ill, problem and irk in your life.

    I was posting the information for anyone still on methadone and concerned about thier health. Since there are still quite a few people here TAKING methadone (albeit in smaller and smaller doses) I thought the information might come in handy.

    I have all my pearly whites to show for it!

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    quote:Originally posted by labrat

    No offense, Arelene--but I really wasn't posting it for you. You've have clearly already made up your mind what has caused every ill, problem and irk in your life.

    I was posting the information for anyone still on methadone and concerned about thier health. Since there are still quite a few people here TAKING methadone (albeit in smaller and smaller doses) I thought the information might come in handy.

    I have all my pearly whites to show for it!
    quote:Originally posted by labrat

    I also believe that Methadone eats away at the calcium. I have since been diagnosed with osteoporosis.-Arelene

    Many woman your age are diagnosed with this disease Arlene. The best way to make sure you don't get it, or that you stop the progression of it once you do, is to have a bone density check each and every time you have a mammogram. I believe its after fifty you should go every year?

    Methadone does cause dry mouth and if you don't keep up with it, it will cause the bacteria in your mouth to mulitply and cause cavities. All opoioid have this same effect...
    You could have fooled me, Kristin. I guess when I see myself quoted and then addressed by name in a post, I tend to think someone is posting to me.

    Yes...I personally have quite a clear view on [u]just one </u> of the effects of long-term Methadone.

    And I have a mouth full of DENTURES to show for it.

    And no, Kristin...Methadone is not responsible for everything that either ailed me or "irked" me. The Disease of Addiction was. The underlying causes for the disease were. The inability to handle life in a non-medicated manner.

    Methadone just covers it like a room deoderizer...allowing the decay to continue. And I am not talking about teeth. Removal of all opioids allows the opportunity to get to the source of the problem...me.

    And therein, IMHO, lies the difference between your philosophy and mine, Kristin.


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    The questions regarding the effects of long-term methadone usage are quite valid. One will have to do a cost/benefit analysis to see whether the side effects of methadone are worth the harm reduction (Uh, no, it ain't quitting, one is still using a powerful opiod agonist. It is just under...usually safer (except for all those still popping benzos as well) conditions.

    Methadone, as well as other opiods do cause dry mouth, it also decreases sex hormone production. Amnorrhea, due to high end opiate usage is not uncommon and yes, labrat that will effect bone density. And yup, it happens with other opiods as well (oh, it effects guys as well, erectile dysfunction is common on MMT, especially higher doses)

    Heck, with my piddly pain pill usage I was having some of these problems. For MMT'ers it will be worse.

    We won't even mention what is does to sex drive...down the toilet. And you think Prozac is bad....

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    One will have to do a cost/benefit analysis to see whether the side effects of methadone are worth the harm reduction--OMNICRON

    My thoughts exactly. As you would have to do with any medication or medical treatment from insulin to radition to steroids to antidepressants (of which most cause the exact same symptoms as long term opioid use like fat-no sex drive-dry mouthed). AND-just like with all medications-there will always be a percentage of people that get every side effect listed-and those that don't even notice any of them.

    I am not arguing the "it aint quitting" thing. It doesn't much matter--its not a contest to see who can be the "best" recovering addict. AND, in my opinion, ANYONE TRYING TO GET BETTER AND IMPROVE THEIR LIVES is a recovering addict. We will ALWAYS be "recovering" (never completely RECOVERED)until they find a cure for us, which aint likely. I am sure we can ALL agree on that? Some of us are in different spots than others-some of us have different goals than others...but were all the same breed. At least that is the way I wish we all saw it.
    In the age of medical miracles as we all grow older we will introduced to all sorts of medications that are both miracle and curse. I, personally, am just glad I live in a time where there are options. Years ago if you were a diabetic you had to hope you made it to 30yo before your legs fell off and you went blind...but even insulin comes at a price. We will all have to decide for ourselves which treatment, medication or lifestyle that will get us to the end the healthiest and the happiest--sometimes we make the wrong choices and have to back track and sometimes we know exactly what it is we need to do.

    NOTE:
    Arlene the first sentance in the paragraph was intended for you--followed by information that was meant for anyone on methadone who might be concerned for their health. I am sure that you realize this also--but not only do many women your age have osteo, but many have false teeth as well. My point was merely that if you KNOW the side effects of the medications you are on, then you should do everything possible to eliminate them while your taking the medication. Is that really such a horrible message to impart upon people?



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