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    Question Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    I have been taking an extreme amount of oxycodone about 21/30mgs a day, usually 7 at a time 3 times a day. My doctor wants me to switch to Methadone. He thinks I'm taking about 6/30 mgs a day and he gave me a script for 60 5mgs of methadone. I have never taken methadone before and I don't know what to expect from it, if I should transition over and how much I should take?. I would like to do this with little side effects, I need to keep working.

    I have taken Suboxone before, is it simular? what should I expect from methadone? Will it throw me into withdrawals like the sub did when I took it too early? Hopefully someone here has had a similar experience.

    Will the methadone enhance or ruin my oxycodone experience. Since I am running out of Oxy it will not matter soon. I will have to take the methadone. Will it make me goofy the first time I take it, the suboxone really did.
    And if I hate it, How long does the methadone take to get out of your system?

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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    methadone has roughly same half-life as suboxone. 37.5 hours....so coming off it....it takes longer to get over it.

    Methadone will not send you into precipitated w/ds should you decide to take it.

    I've used short courses on methadone to physically detox off heroin several times. I never used it more than 6 days....and everyday I would cut the dosage in half. it worked everytime. problem was...i never STAYED clean. I successfully addressed my physical symptoms, but never the mental obsession.

    as far as 'enhancing' your oxy experience with methadone? i don't know what the he!! you mean by that. folks OD from being methadone-naive. its certainly nothing to screw around with. it can be a useful tool for detox....it ain't a party drug.

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    Thumbs up Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    I definitely don't want to OD on this stuff, I just don't know if my tolerance to Oxy has any baring on my tolerance to the Methadone, since they're different opiates. (does that make sense?)

    Great to hear from you Janice. I really appreciate all my old and young friends here at the forum. A great place to get advice. Will it get loopy from the Methadone? He gave me 5mg tabs, what do you think i am safe starting with? I'm assuming since it's long acting it would be a bad idea to take more in the afternoon. What about taking oxy in the afternoon? Thanks again!


    its certainly nothing to screw around with. it can be a useful tool for detox....it ain't a party drug.

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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    yes...your tolerance to oxy absolutely has a bearing on your tolerance to Methadone. Methadone is an opiate. it hits the same receptors as oxy. The higher your tolerance to oxy, the higher your tolerance to methadone. that being said...a little methadone goes a long long way.

    what gets me....why in the world would you wanna take methadone in the am, and oxy in the pm? pick one or the other brotha. use your oxy till you're out, then jump onto your methadone to detox. are you seeking maintenance on methadone...or a short detox/taper?

    and...if you take the correct dosage of methadone...you will feel 'normal'. overshoot the mark, you nod out and can OD/die....just like any opiate.

    DON'T MIX THE TWO. again....DON'T MIX THE TWO. listen, I ain't a doc, but am an addict...and taking both in the same day is just insane.....and pointless.

    glad to see you're back. you and I went through detox together here a coupla years ago.

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    edit: when I used methadone to detox off heroin.....I started at a reasonable dose, and cut it in half everyday. by the 6th day, i was taking like 5mg....and felt completely fine (and, i had a MONSTER dope habit at the time). take as little as possible, for as short a time as possible. you know the nightmare that methadone is....you stay on it and become a 'lifer'....or, you can OD and die.
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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    Hey Jim.....it's all about choices. What your path to recovery is....or if that's the path at all. It starts with honesty....to one's self. (The doc would be a great second place)

    But if you're wanting to 'enhance' your Oxy experience or use it as a bridge...it really doesn't matter. Playing Russian Roulette with a 9mm or a .38...the results could be the same.

    Both the sub and methadone can be an effective short term/low dose detox aid...or years of continued agony and inaction.

    Godspeed in your quest.
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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    Jim,

    How did your doctor tell you to take the methadone? I mixed other drugs with methadone and besides the fact I made it out of that alive (barely) I gotta tell you it makes for the worst detox one can have. Do not mix anything with methadone!:)

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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    30mg, is considered a "blocking dose" of methadone.

    That means, 30mg, will block most ppl, from getting high from other opiates.

    An attempt to take higher doses of the other opiate...to feel something...can very easily cause respiratory depression. You won't notice it. I didn't, until it was pointed out, that I was barely breathing.

    Either throw out the Oxy or finish it, before you start on methadone.

    Try starting on the lowest dose possible to keep you out of w/d. The higher you go in dose, the more you have to come down from. Make sense?
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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    I'm finishing my Oxy tonight ad will start methadone tomorrow. I'm not sure how much is enough still? I am taking 210 to 240mgs of Oxy 3 times a day. I know I will only take the methadone once. Will I feel the same as when I take Oxy? My doctor doesn't want me taking so many in a day (oxy). That's why he prescribed Meth. I do not want to OD and I worry that I will not be able to sleep well. I usually take soma with the Oxy, is there any difference with me mixing methadone and soma?

    I think I will start with 10mgs of methadone tomorrow, is that enough? I guess I will find out. I usually don't start feeling W/ds from oxy until midday, but I am working tomorrow and I don't want to be having issues around a client. I'm guessing 10 mgs will keep me normal.

    Thanks for all your help J-peoples. I'm hoping to go into a detox program later this month. When work will allow.
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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    If you are really taking 20-25 blue 30mg roxicodones IR's ...10mg of Methadone will definitely not hold you..You'll prob need at least 40mg the first 3 days to make it bareable, especially if u have to function and work...geez..my opinion oxy/roxy withdrawal was actually worse than heroin and lasts longer...maybe not as intense at the 36-72 hour mark...but definitely after that....I had a 1 -1.5 gram a day dope habit for like a solid year and in rehab they tapered me with methadone pills from 25mg to 5mg over a 5 day period....Those first 4-5 days were absolute hell...but after that it was almost bareable....just no sleep at all for 2 weeks....

    So u have 3 choices....do a taper like that and deal with a shorter more intense withdrawal or taper longer and deal with a milder longer w/d but run the risk of methadone addiction.... either way its tough...I would taper longer if you don't have to work...either way your going to need a week off of work at least unless your a MAJOR TROOPER....

    or Your best bet is the DETOX program, when ur work allows for it....

    especially with that much ROXY....HOPE YOU MAKE IT....AND yeah no reason to take methadone and roxy in the same day.....u could mix it with methadone at a low dose but it could block the roxy somewhat so its counterproductive and also dangerous...Plus your receptors gotta be saturated at that much roxy's...i'm figuring if you did 25 30's a day or 35 a day you'll prob be just as hit physically at 25....Mixing methadone with anything...especially benzos and alcohol is a death trap....many of my friends have passed away like that.....

    IT's not the brightest idea, but U could prob mix the methadone with somas just keep both at a minimum dose...they'll most likely help with the roxi w/d but will drag it out some..

    I agree w/sluggo, methadone is definitely not a safe party drug...
    By the way....do they still make those 40mg wafers...?
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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    I really hate the idea of switching drugs. I need to get into a rehab. I need help getting off. I can definitely get by 14 of the 30 mgs aday. maybe less if I get some valium or something. I think I should get my daily roxy habit down and go into rehab. I hate this.

    Thanks for your help. I want to start low. Does it take longer to come on like sub?

    I don't know.

    Thanks guys
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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbobrob View Post
    I really hate the idea of switching drugs. I need to get into a rehab. I need help getting off. I can definitely get by 14 of the 30 mgs aday. maybe less if I get some valium or something. I think I should get my daily roxy habit down and go into rehab. I hate this.

    Thanks for your help. I want to start low. Does it take longer to come on like sub?

    I don't know.

    Thanks guys
    Sounds like a very reasonable plan! Before you try 'taking this with that'...and wind up wrong..or worse.
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    Default Re: Newbee Question Oxycodone & Methadone

    I think that's probably a good move....I know it sucks how fast you can get sucked back in to opiate addiction...I just got clean again pretty recently...JUST know you can do it with the right attitude and support.....If you get the roxi habit down you could prob do a methadone taper for a week....I would wait a good 24 hours at least after your last dose of roxy....the longer you can hold on the better the methadone will work...Just crush the pills and put them in grapefruit or orange juice...i never sniffed or shot them things so I'm no master on methadone...i've done it a few times and tapered with it a few times...

    JDUDE...? for ya if u see this.....How many months did it take you to get a solid 7 hour sleep coming off the subs..
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