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    Hello all, Is there anyone that would know if taking a small amount of methadone will show up in a hair test? I took 40 mg(wafer), and 20 mg another day. Is this small enough that I shouldnt worry or is the possibility still there that it may show up.

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    Odds are is that it will not show on a hair follicle test....I think they test for the standard OPI classes of which Methadone isn't usually a part of.

    No guarantees.

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    quote:Originally posted by Cambio

    Hello all, Is there anyone that would know if taking a small amount of methadone will show up in a hair test?
    No. Not in a hair test. Hair tests are used because they have higher detection rates for things like cocaine, methamphetamine, opiates, & ecstacy. The test you need to be concerned with is the 10-panel test (blood or urine) but they are seldom used. That is unless you are applying for a position with the secret service or something. :D

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    Would pot show up in hair test? Does chemical alteration of hair, coloring and/or perms affect this?

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    quote:Originally posted by Jack Butler
    The test you need to be concerned with is the 10-panel test (blood or urine) but they are seldom used. That is unless you are applying for a position with the secret service or something. :D
    Yes...absolutely true about the 10 panel. The normal is 5; & Methadone isn't a part of that.

    So, Jack...the same is applicable for hair follicle?

    Cynder....yes...pot will show up. How dyes affect or don't affect, I have no clue. You talking about coloring after smoking, I assume?

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    Yea I guess. It was just one of those questions that came up at work as some of my coworkers might be going over to a new employer in the area to seek new jobs and found out that they hair test.

    Not just dyes. Wondering about perms as well. Chemical alteration in general I guess. Color is essentually bleaching/peroxide at least for those that go lighter and perms are ammonia I think. Pretty good question huh?

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    I think its easier not to smoke pot in the first place....then no worries on any fronts.

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    I would imagine a good bleaching would remove any trace of every drug, but I dont know about the look lol. They make drug test shampoo you can buy at headshops or on the net, but I have no experience with them.

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    Whoo-kay... this may be more info than you wanted, but here you go...
    quote:Would pot show up in hair test?
    Yes, it does. Each 1/2" of hair reveals about 30 days worth of drug history. Most testing labs require a minimum of an inch and a half. Some require more. And since it takes an average of 6 weeks just to process THC out your body's various systems, you need to be free of pot for a long time, and wear your hair short in order to pass a hair test.
    quote:Does chemical alteration of hair, coloring and/or perms affect this?
    Affect it? Yes. But not anywhere near the degree that would change the outcome of a hair test. Don't believe for a second, the claims that a certain shampoo or astringent will allow you to pass a hair follicle test. It's just not realistic. You would need to shampoo day and night for months in order to even 'possibly' beat such a test. Most people who think they've beaten a test, are just lucky. Usually the 'chain of accountability' has somehow been broken, or protocol is not followed correctly, and the findings become questionable as a result. In other words, human error and the reluctance to prosecute on a potential false positive are what get most guilty parties off the hook. But... in most cases a second test gets administered.

    Hair follicle tests use high-end gas chromatography (GC) and mass spectrometry (MS) to detect levels of drug metabolites. Metabolites are produced by the body as it processes a given drug. It's basically proof-positive that you've been partaking. And the procedure for preparing the hair for GC/MS involves dissolving the hair in a solvent then assessing the resultant 'goo' using GC/MS. So the stories that bleach or peroxide will 'wash out' the evidence are just wishful thinking.

    The other most common method of detection (not used in hair testing) is a form of immunoassay called Enzyme Multiplied Immunoassay Technique, or EMIT. Immunassays are tests that detect the presence of specific antibodies that bind to a given drug or drug metabolite. Immunoassays are not as accurate as GC/MS, and produce false positives in over a quarter of all tests. Immunoassays are usually used as a first line of testing, then followed up with a GC/MS test if a positive is produced.

    The realities of drug testing come down to economics. The accurate tests cost... a lot. Hair testing costs about $200-300 per sample. Standard (blood or urine) GC/MS testing costs about $200-250 per sample, and the EMIT urine test costs about 60 to 70 bucks. Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out which test gets used the most.
    quote: I think its easier not to smoke pot in the first place....then no worries on any fronts.
    Yeah, I'd say, Ar. But then again, maybe some people are addicted to that high-stress lifestyle. :D
    Call me dull. but it feels good to no longer have to worry about stuff like this.


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    quote:Originally posted by Jack Butler
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    quote: I think its easier not to smoke pot in the first place....then no worries on any fronts.
    Yeah, I'd say, Ar. But then again, maybe some people are addicted to that high-stress lifestyle. :D
    Call me dull. but it feels good to no longer have to worry about stuff like this.

    jb

    High stress life like brushing my teeth?:D

    Ain't that the truth, Jack....the end result of not doing any drugs is not having to drugs to relieve the stress. Ain't that a kick in the head the way that works.[:0]

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    I really thought that this was a good question, one of those scientific... I wonder how this effects that type of deal....as I have a wondering type of mind ...and I knew I could get the answer here.

    Personally, I really did not expect the sarcasim. Actually I really resent it. It wasn't NECESSARY, nor did it serve any purpose or good that I can see. Unfortunately, my coworkers don't make nearly what I do in pay because they don't have 22yrs in with the company like I do, so it doesn't hurt them to look elsewhere when they can.

    Thanks for the answer Jack. It was quite interesting. Science and medicine always fascincate me.

    Reminder to self..don't ask any more questions on board due to high stress personalities.


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    Cynderdee,
    I apologize to you if I came off as sarcastic. That was not the effect I was going for. If you are referring to the banter between Arlene and I, well that's just a little 'jitterhouse humor'. It wasn't focused at you. (or at anyone else for that matter) Fact is, when I make such comments I'm usually referring to my own past behaviours or experiences. Self-deprecation is a tool I sometimes lean on.

    I hope you wouldn't hesitate to ask a question if it popped up. That's why we're here, right?! Wouldn't have a forum for very long if everyone stopped asking questions. :)

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