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Who's been free from Sub for over a year?

Discussion in 'Detoxing From Buprenorphine/Subutex/Suboxone' started by Skinny, Apr 2, 2007.

  1. Bup4pain

    Bup4pain Well-Known Member

    Why bupe? Why not use SR Morphine instead. Change the law. Morphine is much safer .. can be used to stabilize an addicts life .. it's wicked cheep! The taper them when the time is right. Errrrr um so why a designer drug like bupe that most probably will change their brain for what's looking like forever.

    There are better drugs to use for the exact same reasons as bupe. Once dependent on morphine you can't get a buzz. Same with bupe.. It SLAMS an opiate naive person but only slightly buzzes a bupe addict. Safer? I don't get it. If you are going to slip and use you will slip and use on bupe too. OD? can;t on bype but when you slip you sure can.

    For every "argument" "they" have I can shoot holes in each reason and show why a different drug is better in the long run.

    I am NOT apposed to opiate maintance. Not at all. I think people should be able to get take home opiates, ban the Mdone clinic BS and treat people like people. You are the only person who can choose between living life as an addict or not. Either you are or you are not.

    So if you choose to be one... might as well give that person a choice of the least harmful opiate. Why does the government choose a more harmful one for us? That we can debate forever.

    But for long term usage Bupe is not the best if you EVER plan on gettign off of opiates eventually as it will make it virtually imposable after years and years.

    In 10 years or so we will start to see the REAL damage bupe is causing. Maybe by then we will have humane solutions to the addiction problem. That or they will do the opposite and round us all up and make dog food out of us.



    Been there, done that, wore out the tee shirt.
     
  2. Pamela7030

    Pamela7030 Well-Known Member

    BHAMSKINNY

    I FIRST FOUND THIS WEB SITE LAST SATURDAY. I SPENT THE DAY CRYING!

    I WENT INTO REHAB JULY OF 2005 AND THAT IS WHEN I GOT MY FIRST SUB. WHEN I CAME OUT, I WENT TO MY LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THE DR THERE PUT ME ON SUBS FULL TIME.

    SO I HAVE BEEN ON SUBS FOR 1 YEAR AND 9 MONTHS. I RELAPSED TWICE SINCE I FIRST GOT CLEAN, BUT THAT WAS ON CRACK.

    I HAVE BEEN USING DRUGS FOR 34 YEARS. MY DR SAID THAT SINCE I USED FOR SO LONG, HE WANTED ME TO STAY ON THE SUBS FOR A LONG TIME AND GET MORE RECOVERY.

    I HAVE A SPONSOR, ATTEND MEETINGS REGULARLY AND I AM WORKING THE STEPS.
    I THINK I AM THE ONLY PATIENT MY DR HAS THAT HAS DONE SO WELL WITH SUB. HE CALLS ME HIS POSTER CHILD.
    I HAVE READ THIS BEFORE, BUT I DON'T THINK THESE DRS KNOW ENOUGH.

    WHEN I WAS IN PAIN MANAGEMENT, THOSE DRS DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT AN ADDICT IS ALL ABOUT. THIS DRUG IS STILL TOO NEW AND WE ARE ALL SETTING THE STANDARDS.

    I THINK I STARTED OUT @ 16MGS. I STARTED TO WEEN MYSELF DOWN WITHOUT MY DR KNOWING. I AM NOW @ 3MGS AND MY DR THINKS I'M @ 6MGS.

    AT FIRST, I WAS ABLE TO CUT BACK 2MGS AT A TIME.
    GETTING DOWN TO THE LOWER DOSES, I ONLY CUT BACK 1MG AT A TIME. BEFORE MY NEXT DOSE THOUGH, I DO GET A LITTLE ANXIOUS. I FEEL PRETTY GOOD THOUGH.

    I WAS SO HAPPY TO FIND SUB. I COULDN'T BELEIVE THAT I WAS ABLE TO FUNCTION WITHOUT SEARCHING FOR AND USING OPIATES.

    I DO HAVE SOME OF THE SYMPTOMS THAT ARE MENTIONED HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE AS BAD AS SOME PEOPLE SAY....THAT IS THEY AREN'T BAD YET! I HOPE I AM ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES.

    MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO THOSE WHO ARE HAVING PROBLEMS. REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE USING? IT TOOK MORE AND MORE FOR US TO FEEL BETTER.
    IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS LITTLE PILL IS ADDICTIVE, AT LEAST I AM NOT TAKING 20 TO 30 PILLS A DAY, LIKE I WAS IN ACTIVE ADDICTION.

    ALSO, I THANK MY HP FOR THIS WEB SITE. I HOPE THIS ANSWERS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

    PAM
     
  3. Sluggo

    Sluggo Well-Known Member

    Pamela -
    I think your chances of staying clean are better than average. why? Because you are actively seeking a program of recovery.

    I think most folks get on sub and expect that to be the end-all...the cure-all. it is not. when you get off the sub, you're still left with the same sick broken addict before ever taking drugs. if you just take any maintenance program and just pretend that you're no longer an addict, you are sadly fooling yourself. deal with the addiction. work a program.

    one of the saddest conditions I know (besides an active addict) is an addict with no drugs and no solution. a dry drunk, if you will. without the comfort of drugs, and no promise of a solution, it is a very very dark and dangerous place to exist.

    gettin clean is an inside job. until you address all the aspects of your addiction (not simply the physical dependance)....most are doomed to failure.

    my opinion on bupe/sub is neutral. like i've mentioned, I successfully had bupe injections for a 4-day inpatient detox. and, it worked great for me. i have never had to endure the prolonged withdrawals from sub addiction.

    Janice
     
  4. darkdaze

    darkdaze Well-Known Member

    HTOutlaws isnt the only positive experience. There is Gretchens4, Michris, Brianstreeter, Jader, Crazycraig-- and a few more I cant remember. I figure they dont come by here anymore because they dont need to be.

    The bottom line is there is a price to pay when becoming addicted to opiates. Everyone pays the piper in one form or another-- what one person can handle, another cant. There are going to be repercussions no matter what-- its how we deal with them and work on making our lives livable without using drugs anymore.

    Sub and methadone seem to be the worse drugs to come off of and sub seems to cause some people the most troubles-- so with that, choose your battles wisely.

    With my experience so far, I feel that c/t off my doc wouldve been easier for me--- I cant speak for anyone else. And Im glad this forum is here so I can read everyones experiences to help me with a plan.... so good luck everyone... dd
     
  5. Pamela7030

    Pamela7030 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Janice,

    You are absolutly right! I just picked up my 9 month chip last night and I feel great. I have my days. When those days come, I have meetings and my sponsor. Now I also have this forum. DON'T QUIT 5 MINUTES BEFOR THE MIRACLE HAPPENS. wE CLAIM PROGRESS NOT PROFECTON. All I can do is try to do better each day. If and/or when I start to feel bad from the subs, I will post how I am doing. I have a 15 month old granddaughter and I want to watch her grow up. I babysit her everyday.

    Pam
     
  6. sam bailey

    sam bailey Well-Known Member

    Hello Pamela,

    Just want to take a quick minute to reply-post...to you! Welcome to the ODR!

    If you've yet read any/all(?) the other threads in the forum, I think you'll see that our membership offers a wonderful mix of all kinds of people, thoughtful, passionate and, sometimes, a little hard-headed. But we are united in one certain way: We are all drug addicts.

    No, that's not quite right. We're united in, uh---TWO certain ways: We are all drug addicts...AND we are all trying Not To Be Drug Addicts.

    As you'll see, we all go about this difficult and, yep, pain-filled journey in many different ways. But we are all headed in the same direction.

    I'm delighted you've decided to come along.

    best,

    sam



    sam bailey
     
  7. Pamela7030

    Pamela7030 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the welcome. I haven't had much time to check out all of the forums. There is a lot to read. May be I am just done doing drugs after 34 years? Can someone tell me what PAWS stand for?

    Thanks again,

    Pam
     
  8. HToutlaws

    HToutlaws Well-Known Member

    Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms

    ...If i remember correctly...

    Welcome to the board Pam.

    HT

    Goodbye Opiates....FOREVER!
     
  9. HToutlaws

    HToutlaws Well-Known Member

    I don't feel that my case was unique.

    I too have read several stories of success. I did try to taper from 8mg to 6mg a day and failed miserably just six months prior to my last taper. The difference was I was mentally DETERMINED. I was ready, and knew this day was going to come.

    The fact that I was so tied to a orange pill really helped as well. I kept thinking: "What if something major happens? What if I can't get my pills one month? I'll be sick as hell for day's"

    I had that with hydro.

    I had ENOUGH!

    HT

    Goodbye Opiates....FOREVER!
     
  10. Pamela7030

    Pamela7030 Well-Known Member

    Are you off of the suboxone HT?
     
  11. darkdaze

    darkdaze Well-Known Member

    Hi Pam
    Ill answer for him.. he has been off sub for 5 months now I believe.
    Hope everything works out for you! take care, DD
     
  12. Skinny

    Skinny Well-Known Member

    I have stated that about the only logic at all is a detox controlled environment. Personally if I could go back I would not use this s**t one day. There are so many better ways. But a few days in a detox facility I wont argue with.

    I can tell you now that I have talked to a lot that go home from detox and they have all told me the same. They go home feeling good and then 2-3 days later they are freaking out! What do addicts do when they freak out.

    How many people can deal with going home after detox and they feel good only to freak out a few days later. What are most going to do? I think that they are making a mistake doing it.

    When they detox you at this place, they use opiates. They give them to you every 4 hours with all sorts of other stuff in it including phenergan for sickness. If you do the correct stay you are slowly lowered the entire time. You have some uncomfortable nights but it is doable.
    You can go get in-betweens too, but too many do that too often. I did it 5 times in 17 days. You can do it every 2 hours if you need it. But in the end you have to pay for that so I only did it when I could not stand it. In the end you have to pay for it all so why put this bad s**ttt in your body even for 4 days.


    SKINNY
     
  13. darkdaze

    darkdaze Well-Known Member

    This is probably going to make you and others upset but I heard or read on Monday- Oprah will be talking about addiction and about a "new miracle drug" used to help cure it. I will not be happy if they start praising bupe on tv and stuff-- If they do, I guess they will find out the horrors of it themselves--and quicker
     
  14. Ratch

    Ratch Well-Known Member

    Yeah, they actually had a TV commercial for sub on once that aired during Saturday Night Live about a year ago... Some poster commented that "our hell is now over" (or just starting).. This was one of the only threads that I ever actually cried with laughter as I typed a respose... One of my best most creative posts ever IMHO!

    http://www.heroin-detox.com/detoxin...uboxone/2745-tv-commercial-sub.html#post53880

    Fighting fire with fire can be a great tool. But isn't the goal to eventually get the fire to go out?
     
  15. nepenthe

    nepenthe Member

    Hi again,

    Didn't read all replies....too many, but I did read your bup4pain. Thanks for the info. I know you can extract paracetamol etc etc....I've been an addict/junkie for 8 years....tried everything mate, but my whole point is like skinny said abiove....I have reached the end of the road. its over for me. Don't want this anymore. My Dr gets back Thursday and I'm telling him to get me off the shiiiit over the next week.

    Incedentally, I went to visit my cousin who has been a heroin addict for over 10 years and is now serving life in prison...not for being a junkie, although we all know that opiate addiction is just that....life in prison. I told him about the discussion I was having on this board, and he wanted me to add this....

    When he was on the outside, and he couldn't score, he would have horrific withdrawls...rolling around on the floor...you all know what its like. When they closed the door behind him in prison, he went from a $AU2,000 per day habit to 30mL methodone per day without any dramas. He said "It's all in your mind...to a certain degree". When he knew he couldn't get out that door to rob or steal a car in order to score, the withdrawls he experienced were mild in comparison. He also reiterated that no matter what, you have to make the jump some day, no matter how you get off it, its hard.sub, meth, cold turkey, theres pain.

    Really am genuinly sorry for screwing up your thread skinny. Please do start another one, but I still maintain that I was misunderstood.

    "Respite and nepenthe from thy memories"
     
  16. nepenthe

    nepenthe Member

    Sorry, just want to add to bup4pain...
    The reason I stopped extracting paracetamol, which I was doing for a long time was because in the past 6 months, in my head I had been saying that it is junkie behaviour and I need to stop doing this. Now I've taken that step and entered a detox program. We shall see how I go then? Wish me luck.

    "Respite and nepenthe from thy memories"
     
  17. nepenthe

    nepenthe Member

    Skinny,

    I am loving it, but not in the sense that "Yeah! I'm getting off my face!!!". It's more that it has helped me (dare I say it) get out of the habit of popping pks. So now that I'm feeling a lot better than I did 2 weeks ago, I'm going to taper off it, because I made a conscious decision to get better, and thats more important to me than any opiate. Like I said before, we'll see how I go in the next few days....wish my Dr wasn't away, but theres not a great deal I can do about that.

    Happy Easter, if you're that way inclined...if not, happy holidays.
    Macha.

    Edited to say, that it really is thanks to the info I've gained from this forum that I intend to now taper off it. Thanks guys.

    "Respite and nepenthe from thy memories"
     
  18. Sluggo

    Sluggo Well-Known Member

    Skinny -
    now you're just downright nasty. Any message you did try to convey is lost in your venom.

    it is obvious that you are not in recovery. if you were, you wouldn't have such intolerance and resentment toward your fellow addicts. recovery tends to rid the addict of such character defects.

    just as you think suboxone maintenance is a travesty....I believe being an addict without recovery is a travesty. take away the drugs and we're the same sick angry resentful addicts we were when using.

    try recovery. it works.
     
  19. Mic

    Mic Guest

    I had been asked to view this thread, and I can see why. From all my years as an addict, one thing I learned is that although you can always tell an addict, you just can't tell them much.

    Force-feeding sobriety is seldom effective. Nobody deserves to be yelled at and treated in such a hostile manner.

    Thank you,

    Mic

    It takes what it takes
     
  20. sam bailey

    sam bailey Well-Known Member

    Knicker,

    Great Post!

    Thanks!

    And Mic? Many thanks to you, too.

    best,

    sam

    sam bailey
     

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