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Suboxone/Subutex in the uk?

Discussion in 'Detoxing From Buprenorphine/Subutex/Suboxone' started by foolschoice, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. foolschoice

    foolschoice New Member

    Hi,

    I'm trying to kick an opiate habit. I managed to stop for about 5-6 weeks at the start of the year with the help of subutex which I was prescribed. I managed to do a quick 2-3 week taper with it and then was mostly ok. Unfortunately, I relapsed and I'm now self employed and working a job that I don't get sick pay or holiday pay for so going through the free services isn't an option as I'd need to take a bunch of days off to go to the different appointments they make you go to before giving a prescription. Has anyone managed to get a prescription by going to a private gp? Are there any other options or do I just need to accept that I'll only get help by taking the time off work?

    Thanks in advance for any help.
     
  2. StuckonSubs

    StuckonSubs Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I wish I could offer you some help. But I am in the USA and I know nothing about how the sub dr's work in the UK...

    What are you using right now? Subutex? What type of opiate?
    Is there any reason that you can not just taper off whatever opiate you are currently using? Or just take a long weekend off of work (like a Friday and a Monday) and just go off cold turkey and get it over with? Tell your work that you have the flu...?
     
  3. foolschoice

    foolschoice New Member

    I'm stuck on oxycontin at the moment. I've tapered down quite a bit but I can't seem to stop completely. I also have days where I abuse it instead of just taking a maintenance dose. I didn't get any kind of high when I took subutex in the past which is why I want to switch over - it'll stop the "binge" days and I know I can taper off it.
    I can take a week off work and go cold turkey but I won't get paid that week (I'm self employed and no sick or holiday pay). Ideally I'd get a prescription for it and I don't mind picking it up every day and be supervised while taking it but I could really do without taking time off work. I'm a bit stuck at the moment:-/
     
  4. StuckonSubs

    StuckonSubs Well-Known Member

    I know here in the US, there are a few different ways to get on Suboxone (or subutex). Most doctors here only prescribe Suboxone as opposed to subutex though.
    We have doctors who do nothing but Suboxone. That is their entire medical practice. Sometimes it takes going to a primary care doctor and having him/her refer you to a Suboxone doctor.
    Some psychiatrists here in the US also prescribe Suboxone.
    We can also go to the local County hospital in opiate withdrawal and they will check you in to the detox unit and give you small amounts of Suboxone/subutex for a few days or a week as well as other comfort meds and then release you once detoxed.

    Again, I am not sure of the options in the UK. You can try and look into some of the above options available in your country.
    Here I found this site with a quick Google search on Suboxone providers in the UK - Professional Reference medical Articles | Patient.co.uk

    I'm not sure if that site will be helpful or not... (I didn't really browse thru it too much)
    You should also check with your local drug & alcohol service. They should be able to point you in the right direction. That is she I would start if I were you. Either there or a Teneral Practitioner (doctor) and go from there. Either that or do some Internet research and see if you can find a list of Suboxone doctors in your area.

    Just be careful how long you stay on the subs. I ended up getting stuck on them for wuite a long time. Honestly, they never really stopped me from using anyway. I only quit using the other opiates when I wanted to. The sub just kept me out of w/d between binges. But it can definitely be a good tool to help get your life back in order. I would really recommend only staying on for months instead of years though. The shorter the better in my opinion. Ideally, the best thing to do would be just quit the oxy and be done. Suboxone/subutex is still an opioid and a powerful one at that. You end up with a lot of the same crappy side effects after a while, at least in my experience anyway. Good luck with everything. Keep us up to date.
     
  5. foolschoice

    foolschoice New Member

    I've been to my doctor but he wouldn't prescribe anything. I went to the substance abuse place but was told I would need to attend quite a few more appointments and even a group session before they would let me have an appointment with a doctor who could prescribe it. With my work situation, it would damage my reputation (I'm a self employed contractor and reputation is everything. I can't be seen to be unreliable) and so that avenue isn't feasible. I've seen a private doctor but he wasn't a specialist in the area and after he had spoken to various people he wouldn't prescribe anything. He told me to go through substance abuse program and take the time off work.
    I don't think going through a program that will damage my job prospects is a very good idea which leaves me with stuck.
    I'm not looking for a long term prescription. I was able to do a 3 week taper in the past and I would like to do that again. I don't want to swap one addiction for another!
    Thanks for the advice. I'm not sure what I can do next apart from trying to taper off the current drugs.
     
  6. StuckonSubs

    StuckonSubs Well-Known Member

    Why exactly would taking time off work damage your future job prospects? If you already have a job booked, finish it and don't book any more for the moment.
    I would think the program should be confidential, so I don't see that being a problem...?
    What is your worry?

    Sometimes we have to choose what is most to us in life and do whatever it takes to reach that goal. The choices are not always easy...
    The only other thing I can really think of is trying to find a few on the street, but I am sure you have already thought of that (and I am not suggesting you do anything illegal lol).

    Do not get caught in the thinking that you "need" sub to be able to get clean. Many people have tapered off of oxy successfully. We all get caught in that thinking of switching to some other opiate to get off the opiate merry go round. They all have their difficulties to them. The only real way off the opiate merry go round is to stop taking ALL opiates.
    Like myself for example - I felt stuck on the pain meds and H and switched to Sub thinking that would be the easy way off. Eventually I ended up stuck on the sub and I was convinced that the only way I could get off the sub was to switch back to the short acting pain meds and taper off those. Eventually I just kind of realized that it was all on me. I could get off if I wanted. One way was not really any easier than another way. So I just set my mind to getting off and I did it. I did not "need" to switch to anything to get off. That was just my addict brain making excuses to keep me on the opiates.
     
  7. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    Bottom line...this is your life your talking about. I'm a straight up junkie. Been through detox after detox. Untill I was willing to put my sobriety before anything else I just hurt myself going through all those detoxes. Everyone harder and harder to get through. Finally, I just gave up, gave in. Now over 5 yrs clean and still have to put my sobriety first to maintain being sober. Gonna be frank...I think your addict mind is lying to your soul and your allowing it. If you really want to reclaim your life back you have to be willing to do whatever it takes. I'm not reading that, just excuses. Not judging you, no leg to stand on to do that. Just saying how I see it.

    I wish you well. Keep posting. It helps to read what your saying. Might take a while but until you see addiction for what it is, how it screws up your ability to see/think clearly. Until you can be honest with yourself/loved ones, etc your just gonna be spinning your wheels. The job.....going to screw it up using anyway. Chances at keeping it are better if you put getting/staying clean prority.

    Welcome to the site,
     
  8. StuckonSubs

    StuckonSubs Well-Known Member

    Hey there. Hope we didn't scare you off...

    Did you do any more digging into doctors & detox etc.?
     

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