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Started Subutex Tues 12/2

Discussion in 'Detoxing From Buprenorphine/Subutex/Suboxone' started by cgdg, Dec 30, 2003.

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  1. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    So far, for me the feeling of Subutex/Suboxone WD while tapering wouldn't be mood swings, depression and/or lethargy...it's more of a racey "squirrely" type feeling...maybe a bit of anxiety, but nothing unbearable really...not yet anyway.

    I'll get some Clonidine to take while stepping off, and see how it goes.
     
  2. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    My daily intake since I started:
    Day 1: 16mg.... 8/4/4 - Subutex 8mg tabs
    Day 2: 20mg....8/8/4
    Day 3: 16mg....8/8
    Day 4: 12mg....8/4
    Day 5: 10mg....8/2
    Day 6: 4mg.....afternoon
    Day 7: 3mg.....afternoon
    Day 8: 3mg.....afternoon
    Day 9: 5mg ........3/2 split* (*means morning/aft dose)
    Day 10: 2mg .......1/1 split - switched to Suboxone 2mg tabs
    Day 11: 2mg .......1/1 split
    Day 12: 2mg .......1/1 split
    Day 13: 1.5mg .....1/.5 split
    Day 14: 1.5mg .....1/.5 split
    Day 15: 1.5mg .....1/.5 split
    Day 16: 1.25mg... .75/.5 split
    Day 17: 1mg...... .75/.25 split
    Day 18: 1.25mg... .75/.5 split
    Day 19: 1mg...... .75/.25 split
    Day 20: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 21: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 22: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 23: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 24: .75mg.... .5/.25 split
    Day 25: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 26 .75mg..... .5/.25 split
    Day 27 .5mg...... .5mg morning dose only
    Day 28 .65mg..... .4/.25 split
    Day 29 .75mg..... .5/.25 split
    Day 30 .5mg...... .25/.25 split
    Day 31 .5mg...... .25/.25 split
    Day 32 .25mg..... .125/.125 split

    Splitting a 1/4 pill in half was difficult...now, splitting 1/8 pill has gotten downright scientific. A true challenge.

    Only detox symptom is that squirrely feeling (yesterday I climbed a tree searching for nuts :D)...if not for that, I'd be 100%. No other problemos *at all.*

    It feels (at times) like I ate a half dozen "No Doze..." and for anybody who doesn't know what that is...it's solid caffeine. Valium would help...but I don't wanna take that unless I *really* need it, so I take 5mg at bedtime....
     
  3. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    I was feeling that, I made it 4 whole days no bup then I crashed and could not take the feeling like I was gonna jump out of my skin. Crying, laughing, Feeling like my head was spinning out of control and I felt so tired and sick...[xx(] My doc wont prescribe valium to me and I feel kind of trapped in this quest to be free. I am so gald for you C! I will try again, I have been perfecting my razor blade skills, you can break an 8mg tab into like 8 small pieces so I guess that rounds out to 1mgish. So I am on 1mgish a day now. We shall see how this goes. Happy 2004 everyone!!![:eek:)]

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  4. Bup4pain

    Bup4pain Well-Known Member

    WOW... Both of you ... Great going! [8D]

    Apheana, I had no idea you were dong so well so fast. That's the spot I get weird. 1-2 mg SL or .5 cc (.15 mg IM)

    I'm now at a 30 mg SR Morphine split 1/2 in a day. I do 1/2 in the morning or lunch time, and the rest at 6 pm. I have set aside the IR 15 mg pills. I seem to be doing much better. The bump to 45 -60 mg from the holidays is over. Only problem is my pain level is hovering at the "maybe I need something more" than NSAIDs level.

    I eat Advil daily. Which helps some.

    30 mg PO Morphine is = to 2.5-5 mg OXY
     
  5. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    My daily intake since I started:
    Day 1: 16mg.... 8/4/4 - Subutex 8mg tabs
    Day 2: 20mg....8/8/4
    Day 3: 16mg....8/8
    Day 4: 12mg....8/4
    Day 5: 10mg....8/2
    Day 6: 4mg.....afternoon
    Day 7: 3mg.....afternoon
    Day 8: 3mg.....afternoon
    Day 9: 5mg ........3/2 split* (*means morning/aft dose)
    Day 10: 2mg .......1/1 split - switched to Suboxone 2mg tabs
    Day 11: 2mg .......1/1 split
    Day 12: 2mg .......1/1 split
    Day 13: 1.5mg .....1/.5 split
    Day 14: 1.5mg .....1/.5 split
    Day 15: 1.5mg .....1/.5 split
    Day 16: 1.25mg... .75/.5 split
    Day 17: 1mg...... .75/.25 split
    Day 18: 1.25mg... .75/.5 split
    Day 19: 1mg...... .75/.25 split
    Day 20: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 21: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 22: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 23: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 24: .75mg.... .5/.25 split
    Day 25: 1mg...... .5/.5 split
    Day 26 .75mg..... .5/.25 split
    Day 27 .5mg...... .5mg morning dose only
    Day 28 .65mg..... .4/.25 split
    Day 29 .75mg..... .5/.25 split
    Day 30 .5mg...... .25/.25 split
    Day 31 .5mg...... .25/.25 split
    Day 32 .25mg..... .125/.125 split
    Day 33 .25mg..... afternoon dose only
    Day 34 ..........NOTHING

    Well this is it. The "fat lady" has sung. Took my last dose at 3pm yesterday...so I'm at 27 hours w/no Suboxone.

    So-far-so-good...doc called in some Clonidine this morning, and I took 1mg of that to slow the ol' heart down...I dunno if I'll take a whole one again, cuz it made me a bit sleepy.

    No depression...no lethargy...really feeling *okay.* But I'd expect tomorrow will be a bit different...

    I've heard of emotions being 'raw' but haven't experienced that either...watched Pokemon w/the kids before dinner, and when Pikachu got sick, I cried like a little girl tho....hmmmm :D.
    (kidding)
     
  6. Bup4pain

    Bup4pain Well-Known Member

    Now THAT is the way to do it! Nicely done. [8D]

    Looking at the taper it's very interesting to see how the last 15 days are at such low doses, yet are still effective and work so powerfully.

    That less than 1 mg taper for 15 days is important. Also the limit of 30 or so days seems to be VERY important as to prevent the development of a strong Buprenorphine dependence.

    WAY TO GO!!!

    I hope ya hang around for a while and continue to post.
     
  7. Jon

    Jon Well-Known Member

    Congradulations on retriving your life. Very happy however you do it.
    There is no right or wrong for me, as long as it works.
    Peace,
    Jon
     
  8. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    I hope this doesnt mean you are going to dissapear- there are so few things left in this world to make me laugh!!! You are a funny guy! I am still sticking to that lieelt 1mg even though I tried to NOT take it. Not ready yet for the rest of the heeby jeebys!! That feeling like your freezing but you are sweating like a pig. I originally cancelled an apointment but changed my mind and decided to go tonight. I am going to ask about some things that I gathered from this lovely forum. I can see the doc shaking his head and saying I hate the internet- oh no thats my family doc...He is anal retentive with a capital R.
    My list is- Remeron maybe for deppresion, crying like a baby for real over noodles taking to long to cook and stuff, I AM CRAZY
    Flexerall- used to take it for cramos long ago... and Clonidine (cant spell) fot relaxation, I am pretty sure he wont give me anything good like xanax or valium :( The more I ask about the more I am "med seeking" Well damn it I AM!!! Wish me luck and I AM SO PROUD OF YOU C!!!:D

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  9. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    *Bupe4pain...thanks! [8D] If I had to do this all over again, I'd *avoid* starting just prior to the holidays...wish I hadn't 'held' at 1mg for 7 of 9 days...but it was Xmas...it made the drop to .5mg a bit uncomfortable, but only for a day.

    This Clonidine really helps...

    **Jon...agree wholeheartedly re; "no right or wrong - as long as it works." We're all looking to get to the finish line...the route you take is inconsequential.

    ***Apheana...I cry over noodles when they're still in the PACKAGE, so don't sweat it!:D

    You're doing all the right things...you'll be there soon. Insist on the Clonidine...my only (minor) complaint about this whole process was a bit of raciness...had I had the Clonidine sooner, even *that* could've been avoided.

    Oh...and Hey Cupcake ;)...we're ALL "crazy." [:p]
     
  10. Bup4pain

    Bup4pain Well-Known Member

    C.. Yep, the holidays messed me up too.

    Apheana... My thermostat is messed up. Freezing then baking. Lately I am better. Not sure if the 30 mg a day morphine is "holding" me at a low level and preventing real sweats now. It' supposed to be the same as about one 5 mg Hydrocodone or Oxycodone a day. I feel better than a week ago that's for sure. Slowly feeling better and more normal.

    I sure feel "Lean" at this dose. Guess it's about time to gather the will power to jump off now. I think I'm at that point of diminishing return.

    I wish I had some clonidine to use for 3-4 days to get over the hump.

    My MD has not called back when she does I will ask her for some.

    Apheana.. If you are sweating and freezing could be ya need to hold at the 1 mg for a few days. Then back off. Unlike Jon, you have been on the bup for long enough for it to get it's hook into you pretty good. It takes time to adjust. You are on the path of less and eventually off so don't make a big deal out of doing the 1 mg.

    Easy does it. We don't want you to feel so crummy you think about using. If you feel real bad by all means take a little bup. It's not like you are banging a bag!

    Look at cddg's last 10 days. Try something like that and see if it goes better.
     
  11. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    This is day 3 w/o the Suboxone...and the clouds have parted, the sun be shinin' and the cuffs are off!:D

    Here's a breakdown of how I've felt sans Suboxone (last dose .25mg Sunday at 3pm):

    Monday Day 1: picked up Clonidine script (1mg) and took one around 11:30am as heart was racing...felt better w/i 45 minutes. By 4pm I was SLEEPY, and napped from 5-7pm.

    Midnight, took 1/2 Clonidine and a 1mg Xanax...felt fine, but didn't sleep very well. Another 1/2 Clonidine at 3am.

    Tuesday Day 2: 1/2 Clonidine at 6am, felt a bit lethargic throughout the day, but was still able to work...took another 1/2 at noon, and 6pm. After dinner, a bit of the runs ([:I]) so took some Immodium then slept from 8pm til 10pm. Midnight, took 1/2 Clonidine and 1mg Xanax, then slept straight through until 7am.

    Wednesday Day 3: Woke up feeling a bit 'fuzzy,' and decided to skip the Clonidine today...feeling close to my old self again. Will try and sleep w/o Valium or Xanax tonight...

    Currently, it's been 69 hours since my last dose Suboxone, and these last 3 days would've been REAL difficult for me if not for that Clonidine...I reco it highly to help in the transition of being "opiate free."

    I've had "slight" lethargy, NO depression (doc *did* give me Paxil which I'll taper off in a month or so) and very minor symptoms throughout this ordeal...right now, all I feel is excitement that it's OVER...I'm fully amped.[:p]
     
  12. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    Congratulations!!! I was dennied Conidine, instead was prescribed the Sabutex 2mg pills to see how I react w/o the Narcan. I took 2mg last night to feel better but was unable to sleep- should listen to you Bup-do not take it at night for it may wire you!!! So, I am at work today and going strong. Not doing to badly as I have that darn bup running through my system again. So, I will start to taper again with the 2mg pills, easier to dice and slice into smaller peices. Sooooooo- I am not sure why he wouldnt give me clonidine and I asked about xanax but that was a big fat noooooo- I have chewed my nails to the point of pain. What are ya gonna do? I guess I am just gonna keep working and maybe I can write here someday that my chains are freeeee. Bup- you are almost there, you can handle this! :D

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  13. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    Apheana...
    Wow, I can't believe he won't give you Clonidine! It's just a blood pressure med...helps slow that heart down (my biggest WD symptom) where Valium or Xanax wouldn't TOUCH it.

    I think you can get Clondine online...I've never used the internet for any scripts before, but itz not like itza Benzo or anything...shouldn't be difficult to obtain.

    Take a razor and start shaving a little bit offa them 2mg Subs every other day...then try everyday after a week. If you do it slowly, you really won't feel much of a difference.

    When I first started on the Subutex, I cut down really fast...and here's how screwed up I am...I wanted to make CERTAIN I had enuff saved "in case I needed to do this again."[:eek:)]

    I figured I could go out and do Oxycontin's again as long as I had a "full supply" of Subutex/Suboxone to help detox me.

    Had I detoxed in 10-14 days...I probably would've done just that (especially w/the stress of the holidays)...but the 30+ days gave me time to get my head screwed on correctly...cuz I NEVER wanna be chained to a drug AGAIN!:D
     
  14. sunshine

    sunshine Well-Known Member

    You have inspired me! I am going to start tapering a little off my 16mgs. Today I only took 4mg before work and I am going along ok. When I get home I will take another 4mg. I just want to see how I do on a lower dose. It doesn't seem to hard and I know that I will feel good within twenty minutes after taking the Sub. I have been reading on here everyones experiences with tapering and I want to try. My doc is of the mind of getting life in order before starting to taper but I sm curious to see how I feel. I have been at 16mg since dec 15th. I will let you guys know how I do. cgcg you are doing great! How great it must feel to be free! Yes!
     
  15. Rodrigo

    Rodrigo Well-Known Member

    Clonodine is available at www.bestlittlerx.com. They do not have opiates, otherwise I wouldn't point you all there. I know better than that. #180 .3 mg tabs for 60 bucks. Had I known about it sooner, I would have done it that way. And I *have* dealt w/that internet pharmacy -- they are quite reputable. They also have klonopins, but try to avoid benzos and sleep meds at all costs. I have never *enjoyed* any of these "downers", but it *is* nice to be able to get to sleep on a tossy-turny nite. Opiates always woke me up until I had enough that I'd finally pass out for the nite. Anyone who is on Clonodine have the strength handy? I'm not sure what strength is best for people in our situations.
     
  16. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    Thanx for the advice. I think I am going to avoid internet drug shoppng cause its too tempting. I am taking the 2mg tab every other day right now but I am going to take your advice C and shave some off and still do the every other day thing, then every three days then poof- like magic it will be over. I have been way to sad to try and be done with everything and I have to keep my head on. Was getting dizzy from the ups and downs. 2mg every other day seems to keep my tears at bay, no noodles to cry over right now!!! Thanx for your help C you are the best! [8D]

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  17. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    Atta girl Sunny (not yer cat)!;) I'll tell you a little "motivating" secret...when I began my "Started Subutex Tuesday" thread, I really didn't FEEL that motivated to cut down. But all the support I got...on this board, and thru emails...made me feel like I HAVE TO DO THIS...I dunno why, I've never *met* anybody here :D...but it REALLY pushed me into completing my detox in a reasonable amount of time.

    Start your own thread detailing your stopping...right from the first day. The people here are SO supportive and well-schooled, it will make the whole ordeal a LOT easier.

    Please keep us updated on yer progress!
     
  18. cgdg

    cgdg Well-Known Member

    Apheana...
    Take it slow...yer doing great. The whole reason I *chose* the Sub route was so I wouldn't suffer...it's truly a wonderful drug. So wonderful in fact, that I would've been very content to have just kept chuggin' along at even 1mg.[^]

    But by taking those small amounts off every few days like you're planning to do...I rarely felt it (I had one bad day).

    You too would benefit from starting yer own thread....get the cheering section going..."Apheana! Apheana! rah-rah-rah....firecracker, firecracker, sis-boom-bah!" :D

    I had a cat named noodles.
     
  19. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    Awww, A cat named noodles- I have had stranger names for my cats I guess!!! Thanx, I think I will take that advice!

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  20. sunshine

    sunshine Well-Known Member

    Cgdg Thanks bud for the support! I think I will start a thread of my own. I have to figure it all out. So far I dropped from 16mg to 8mg with no problem at all! I meet with the doctor Monday but I am not going to tell him I am doing this only because he doesn't want his patients adjusting thier dose at all. I am suppose to call if I want to take more or less. But I think because it is my body I can do what I feel is right.
    My hubby is going through a hard time since he came home from rehab. He was treated with Sub there but they tapered him off. He is going to counseling but he has the lingering blues. I hope he snaps out of it soon cause we are very close. It is hard to be married and both drug addicts. We vowed to be the first couple in history to get clean and stay clean together. I know Pinkie you do this too with your man. It is hard when one is weak and the other strong. Anyone who has any advise on this please feel free to respond.
    Noodles is a great name for a cat!
     
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