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Discussion in 'Detoxing From Buprenorphine/Subutex/Suboxone' started by Rodrigo, Jan 11, 2004.

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  1. Rodrigo

    Rodrigo Guest

    A possible problem I can think of... I know I'm usually the guy on here who provides much of the pharmacological advice... But now I have a question. The last time I was sick the doctor rx'd me Hycodan, a hydro-based cough syrup. Honestly, I did *not* enjoy the stuff because it made me extremely tired (possibly due to the homatropine in the preparation).
    He didn't say why, but in reading about my current anti-d, Effexor, it gives *many* warnings about using OTC cough remedies, especially dextromethorphan (DXM), because it provides excess seretonin, possibly causing "seretonin shock" if used with something like Effexor, so I am assuming that the reason he rx'd the hydro syrup is to avoid this.
    Is there an anti-tussive alternative unrelated to DXM or opiates? I know of none, so maybe someone else does? I can tell my doc that I don't want opiates, but then what can I do for a bad cough requiring medicine? For me, maybe codeine... I know it's not the best choice, but I do *not* enjoy codeine whatsoever. If taken in excess, I will puke -- not to mention that I do not feel "good" if I take codeine. However, I would like a *better* solution.
     
  2. joberri

    joberri Active Member

    hardly pharmacological advice and not meaning to belittle your problem but how about some old fashion home remedies for cough? ie. honey, lemon juice and small amount of whisky; inhalation of certain essential oil vapours ie. eucalyptus mixed with something calming like lavender or bitter orange. Alternative therapies seem to be overlooked on this forum. Also certain yoga positons are extremely relaxing which helps with everything.
    hope I didn't offend and bow to your obvious expertise and HUGE knowledge in this area.
    P.S both my dad who is a Vet and my sister who is an intensive care unit specialist (and therefore involved with much pain management) did not know that loperamide (immodium) is an opiate!!!


    joberri
     
  3. Rodrigo

    Rodrigo Well-Known Member

    Whoa... You're a McLeod :) That is awesome. Anyway, thank you loads for the post. I take no offense to any advice I get. You hit the nail on the head -- the only problem is that whiskey is definitely not too good for me cuz alcohol is bad on my stomach, but honey/lemon/eucalyptus combo sounds *awesome* for a solution. Thanks loads! On a side note about natural remedies -- there is some kind of herbal remedy that "counters the effects of opiate agonists", in other words, an opiate antagonist. I don't remember what it was, but I will find it and post it for everyone, as this may be quite a helpful remedy! Thanks for getting the mind moving on that one!
     
  4. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    Rodrigo- I hope that you feel better! To add a little note, there is a lot of advice I have read and info about some herbal remedies and such. Sleepless or Spring, cant remember which one had posted some herbal solutions to depression that I thought were very quite interesting. Also there were some very good links to some sites containing some herbal therapies to combat the war on opiates. I think Bup4pain posted them. I remember something about large doses of vitamin C?
    None of us take offense to advice especially when we are outright asking for it! [8D] Please add some suggestions for herbal therapies I know I am interested in them and I am always in for learning new ways to help cure my ills and now even more interested in non-drug therapies!!

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  5. Rodrigo

    Rodrigo Well-Known Member

    I *know* I'm not crazy and I did see something on rxlist.com about some kind of herbal that "counters the effects of opiate agonists". I searched and searched and searched -- nothing. I feel fine - thanks for asking.:D That happened last month, but I was just looking for suggestions for future. I know quite a bit about herbals also. I sent you an e-mail about the vitamins and stuff but you never responded. [xx(] For depression, spring talked about the "sam-e" which is a new one to me. I know there is "St. John's Wort" which will boost seretonin levels, but it does show MAOI properties, making it incompatible with many drugs, even OTC. I'm not sure what exactly your ills are, and you probably don't want to post them, so it's hard for me to suggest things. My problems are flat feet, which kill my feet, knees, and even lower back. Another is irritable-bowel syndrome, which was something opiates helped greatly, but I'm about to look into bilberry and goldenseal which are supposed to help -- I'm going to hit the store on my way home from work. I'm the only one here in the IT department today, otherwise I'd go at lunch. Being 3 weeks without opiates (today), it seems like vitamins are the difference between me feeling lethargic and sleepy halfway through the day and feeling great. I'm also on bupropion (Wellbutrin) to quit smoking (not going as well as the opiates, but I have cut down tremendously), and Effexor for anxiety. If you would like some "more personalized" advice, you have my e-mail.[:p] P.S. No cravings as of yet. Well, I had one great one -- Yahoo patched their servers and I couldn't "boot" people for a few days, so I was having w/d's from that, but that's all.[8D]
     
  6. Rodrigo

    Rodrigo Well-Known Member

    Hmmm... Another question that joberri can probably answer for me... Hydrocodone... I have read things that hydro is used mainly in the United States and Canada. Is this true or is it spreading around the globe?
     
  7. joberri

    joberri Active Member

    maybe I've been off the scene too long but haven't come across Hydrocodone except on net. Don't know anyone here (in Oz) whose ever seen the stuff!

    joberri
     
  8. Rodrigo

    Rodrigo Well-Known Member

    Yeah... It's not really used other than the US and Canada... "Vicodin" in Europe, I know, usually consists of apap and codeine.
     
  9. Apheana

    Apheana Well-Known Member

    I was told by a doctor once that vicodin is Hydrocodone vise versa. If that is any help at all to you. Just another name like generic and non-generic. Hydrocodone being a cheaper med than the Vicodin[?]

    ***Live, Laugh and Love***
     
  10. Rodrigo

    Rodrigo Well-Known Member

    From what I have heard, in the us vicodin=hydrocodone/apap. In Europe, vicodin=codeine/apap. I dunno how it's different from country to country, but that's the scoop. I've seen it on overseas pharmacies that way.
     
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