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going to get off sub

Discussion in 'Detoxing From Buprenorphine/Subutex/Suboxone' started by Bonita, Sep 18, 2008.

  1. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member


    I have just found this site about a week ago but the adm would not let me on till today.

    I'll keep it short as far as hx. I am a doper and have been for way too many yrs. I tried to get off H and D's by using meth and that was stupid. I heard about sub by the internet and called the first doc that came up. No knowing anything he put me on 40mg per day per day july 11th. I did that for 10 days untill I found another site and they said it was "never heard of" so I wean pretty quickly down to 4mg over about 6 weeks.

    Now I am stuck on .5mg and still in wd but waxing and weaning with wd symptoms. So now it sept 19 and I am sick as hell. When I first stablize on 1mg and then drop to .5 then .125 I tried skipping days. By the 4th day, SO sick. So now I am back on .5 and still in wd. I have clonidine with some help. I fired the sub doc... buthole. He thinks I should stayed at way high doses. I also have catapress patches but develope allergy to the adhivsive... I plan to go to them after I run out of the pills and just move it dayily.

    any help plssssss

    forgot to say... I get stoned now at .5,, not a good stoned, I hate it.
  2. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    Hi hun'....I'm not savy on Sub, but I just wanted to welcome you.

    I would suggest that you switch to Clonidine pills in lieu of the patches. Not only won't you have to deal with an allergic reaction to the adhesive, the pills don't lose their potency when you shower. You can maintain the effects of the pills...more evenly...than on the patches. Most importantly...Clonidine must be monitored in conjunction with a BP cuff so that you don't become hypotensive.

    And sweetie...do me a favor, please. Consider changing your screen name. You ain't stupid...you're just an addict. They aren't synonomous.:)

    Exodus From MMT;12-25-02

  3. jdude

    jdude Well-Known Member

    Welcome to ODR.....with methadone in your history,the fast taper may have played a role in the acute phase. Bouncing back and forth on the sub dose probably did'nt help much either. Even at the lower doses.

    If the .5mg is holding you...get stabile there for a couple of days. Then you can split the dose,add time between doses, or reduce furthur. Save the clonidine for at or near post jump.

    Do you have a suppotr plan in place?


    <center>You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.</center>
  4. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    I dont understand by jumping back and fourth..... maybe I didnt make myself clear. I started at 40 mg 24hours after last dose of meth..of course terrible wd for three days..I did what the quack told me too... I found drug.com forum then I drop to 24mg for about 5 days.. then drop 8mg ever 5 days till I got to 2mg.. then 1mg no problems yet... then .5mg....then.125 for three days and began skiping days till I got soo sick I could not take it.. now on .5 for a week... wd kicked in and got worse daily. I never went up till I go so sick at skiping and slowly over 2days went back to .5... wd never stoped but getting worse.

    bld pressure hanging about 120.40 while take catapress. with out it 160/100 I have been on .5 for atleast 8 days now and stil not stable. I cant work, sleep. sweating/chills vomiting the whole deal.
  5. jdude

    jdude Well-Known Member

    If you inducted at 40mg,even with close to reducing 8mg a week, the half life caught up with you.
    What was your sits with the meth...how long/dose?

    <center>You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.</center>
  6. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    they keep booting me off the site saying myaddress is not right... it is right and I try to reply what they send and i go to a strange new page
  7. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    pls some help should I take .5 more?
  8. jdude

    jdude Well-Known Member

    Yes....you need to get to a stabile daily dose.

    As far as the site PM mic.

    <center>You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.</center>
  9. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    ty for you answer.... actually right now I am not puking and not sweating so bad.... I actually slept for an hour. Maybe I am beginning to stablize. If you think I should hold out I will. I really want to get clean.

    as far as support... I went to a few na meeting but got such crap about being on the sub.. I mean really in my face. it did make me get more information so not a total loss. So I now go to aa meetings. still looking for a sponser. My old sponser died.

    Right now. I just feel stupid. I have had 4 yrs clean time and the best time of my life.. went out sailing for a few yrs got hurt.. came back had surgery and the beginning of a ripe roaring run with dope. Untill I am clean..and for a bit of time. I will continue to call my self stupid.

    I work but cant like this... way too obvious I am in wd.
  10. Mic

    Mic Guest

    Hi Smartone-

    I'm sorry you're having trouble with the site. I just checked all the usual culprits (IP and email addy's) and see nothing peculiar. I'm not suggesting you're not having trouble, just suggesting that I don't know what it could be. Please PM me with specifics when/ if it happens again, and I'll dig deeper into it.

    The waiting period for new members is something we hate to do. We were recently hacked by a disgruntled addict, and this is the only sure fire way to keep him out...when he (Matt) gets tired and moves on, we'll make it easier for our new members. Under no circumstances does a new registrant wait more than 24-36 (tops) hours to be activated; Dr. Gonzales and I check several times per day....

    Welcome to the site; I hope we can help! :)


    Please consider changing your user name, or allow me to?

    <center>It takes what it takes</center>
  11. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    well... I log out and log in and it works.. Prob. me being.. I wont say stupid. I understand the wait.. I read the post about it. I will change my name if it offend others.
  12. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    ok... I dont know how and do not want to risk getting banned by attempting a new ID...and same address.
    I will change it or let you when I know I can come back.
  13. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    well... I didnt make it thru the day without taking..5mg. began throwing up again. Having a real hard time keeping my sugar up. resorting to a few good and plenty every hour or so. I guess I am saving insulin. I surely will not take it for a while. I rather be high then low.

    I am angry at myself for trusting a quack with out looking into it myself. Being put in wd with the sub should of woke me up but, no.

    My dealer called me yesterday and I did get a few 5mg oxycodones. I will save them for when and IF I ever get to 6=8 days without the sub. I would rather go thru wd from short actings then this. I bought enought for 7 days at three per day. I would rather of gotton davoset but that is just not avail. I also told him what is happening and not to call again, though it was nice of him to bring them to me.

    I have over 200 subs... what a fricking waist of a drug. I cant belive how much I paid to get in this mess. 700 hundred to him and the cost of the subs. Damn. How stupid can I be.

    I will try today to lenghten the time before I take another .5. I went 30 hours before I broke down yesterday. I would go to the hospital but I know they would not help much. With the way insurance is now a days... you have to just about be dead or near before you can be admitted.

    I have read alot here and trying to change my attitude... its killing me.
  14. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    Btw Mic...... Now it says I am registerd... now sure what was wrong.
  15. sam bailey

    sam bailey Well-Known Member


    Good morning. Like my other friends here, I'm sorry you're having such a wicked time with the Sub...and, of course, with your addiction to the other dope. As you know, it is ALL playing a significant role in what your body is going through. You know, friend, that you are in a war, a battle between you and your dope-demons. The good news is that you can win the fight, just as others before you have claimed victory in their struggle with drugs.

    Just about 3 months ago, I ended my ride on the Sub-Train. It can be done. I did it, just as (as noted) many others have done before me.

    However, in my experience, the battle does NOT have to be as gut-wrenching painful as what you're currently experiencing.

    The key is, as my friends suggested, to stabilize on the Sub, with sensible, ever-tapering, doses.

    Getting off the Sub-Train is the goal. One does not have to hurl one's body off that speeding locomotive to succeed. I (more simply) just hopped off one of the sidecars, landing easily on both feet. It didn't hurt.

    Of course, that's another choice. Sometimes one simply HAS to get the hades out of Dodge, off the Sub-Express...and if that's your case, if that's your choice, then fine.

    Once off, though, the secret to a good, healthy...and clean life is to STAY off. What are your plans for doing that?

    **Btw, you MUST be very careful about that other dope you bought, those Oxys. For what it's worth, I believe that's a hugely dangerous game to play, the notion of circling BACK to the drugs that kicked our butts in the first place.

    I did the same thing with Oxys/Hydro in my first two go-rounds with Sub...and each time, both times, I began eating those g.d. pills, I didn't stop until I was right back in the...the caboose (to overuse the train metaphor...ha!).

    Nah, you ain't stupid, S.M., you're just a simple junkie. Me? I don't mind having BEEN a junkie, as long as I'm currently not one. See, it's all in the tense.



    sam bailey
  16. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    what is being stable..... no vomiting? no chills had the sweat for the start
  17. arlenewla

    arlenewla Well-Known Member

    No, hun'. You didn't offend me at all. I was just suggesting that the user name might harm you.

    The names we call ourselves can create a mindset.

    Exodus From MMT;12-25-02

  18. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    ok......... I cant do this. I took 1mg. I cant afford this low bls sugar. I live by myslef and hardly keeping it at 70

    I hope this is what you meant.
  19. Bonita

    Bonita Well-Known Member

    ok....... now my NPH is wear off and I feel so much better.

    Change of attitude has to come. I saw another posting what she is thankfull for and rememeber the first time I got clean doing this. Funny... I cant even remember the steps now... brain is not working.

    1 thank GOD for reg insulin.
    2 thank GOD for tv and demand tv
    3 Thank GOD for aa/na going back to apolize today.
    4 and most of all.... Thank GOD for the 4 yrs I did have.
  20. sudokudee

    sudokudee Well-Known Member

    Hi SM,

    Correct me if I misunderstood this somehow. Are you saying that while you were dropping from 1 mg. to 0.5 mg. you were also skipping days?

    If so, that may be the source of some of the problem. You should not skip days until you taper down to the lowest dose possible (usually just a crumb) and then you go to every other day, then every 3rd day...etc.

    You should not widen the dose interval while dropping the dose. They should be totally separate taper steps.

    Also...are you having hypoglycemic episodes due to not eating enough while feeling sick from the taper? Can you just lower the NPH dose or just cover yourself with regular insulin just for the short term? Until you get your appetite back and have a sufficient intake again?


    Dee--off MMT 9-12-06

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