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Buprenorphine

Discussion in 'Detoxing From Buprenorphine/Subutex/Suboxone' started by new, Dec 31, 2003.

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  1. new

    new Guest

    I was so releived to find this site. I have previously gone to other opiate sites where opiate dependent people can share their experiances but it seemed like all they did was fight and argue with other about the most frivilous things mostly the pros and cons of Methadone or Methadone vs Buprenorphine. This site is like a breath of fresh air. no one pretends to be an expert instead they share their own experiances and share information with each other thats the way it should be. Thank you all so much for all the interesting posts and valuble information. I was addicted to heroin for over 20 yrs and the only alternative back in those early years was Methadone so like everyone else I was ready to try anything Methadone seemed to be like miracle drug and for some people it worked wonders. I thought I would be able to get on it and detox after a 21 day detox period but of course it doesn't work that way. In order for it to work you had to be on a high dose and stay on a long term maint. program or MMT as they call it. Of course they never tell you at the clinic how addicting it is and how hard it is to come off of Methadone. If for some unforseen reason you can't continue your daily dose of Methadone. For example if you suddenly became unemployed or God forbid if you got incarcerated you would experience the most hellish w/d's worse than any heroin w/d's.Today finally a few decades later they offer Buprenorphine as an alternative. I got on it as soon as it was approved by the FDA. It's been around for awhile and was legal in other countries but not here with all their beauracracy it took the goverment ten years to approve it. It was available as a pain medication but not addiction. I highly recommend it but it's not for everyone. It's different for everyone since we are all biologicaly different our bodies react differently to chemicals thats why some drugs work for some people and not others.I don't pretend to be an expert or a doctor but I would be happy to share what I have learned about Methadone and Buprenorphine. Thanks again to everyone that participates in this forum. Sincerely.....Robert
     
  2. Bup4pain

    Bup4pain Well-Known Member

    Robert... Welcome! :)

    How long on BMT and are you staying on it? How much do you take?

    I was on Bup 4 pain.... but have switched to morphine to taper and plan on quitting shortly. Or so the plan is. [:I]

    Again welcome.

    John
     
  3. r0648791

    r0648791 New Member

    Hello.
    I am worried after reading most of this site. I was snorting OC's for 1.5 years. At my worst i was taking 160mg per day to feel "normal" at the end I switched to snorting H about 5 bags a day. First week of september '03 I went to detox for 9 days (limited by work) and did a rapid taper of 'done. 2 days after I returned I had my induction to Suboxone. I take 16mg a day since sept, 10th ish...
    I didn't plan on stopping the suboxone but from what I read people seem to be done with it in a couple weeks. Is this something that is going to be another "big" problem ? I would love to hear peoples opinions on my situation. I planned on staying on this until I straighten my life out, but if im just begining the cycle again I may have to change my plans. Help
     
  4. Bup4pain

    Bup4pain Well-Known Member

    Your 16 mg dose may be to high... Try to taper to 8 mg than see how you feel. You may even get more effect. Then taper to 4 mg and check there. (this will be easy) The hard part is tapering from 2 mg to zero. FYI At 16 mg a day you should be able to cut 1 mg a day. Even at 8 mg a day you could cut 1 mg a day to get to 4 mg. At this point a few days and smaller steps between cuts may be needed.

    (see cgdg's posts about his taper)

    With Buprenorphine less is more to an extent.

    If/when you get to the lower doses you can think about quitting. DO NOT quit at 16 mg a day! I would only step off at 1 mg or less a day.

    I would not quit in any less than 30 days. You may even want to hold at 2 mg a day for a few weeks. Then reassess your desire to quit, and to let your body adjust for a while.

    Just be careful not to let the dose creep back up. It is WAY TO EASY TO GO UP! Even one day of 8 mg after being at 2 for weeks will make it hard to go back down. (my experience)

    I am having a difficult time keeping at my taper.

    Good luck!
     
  5. DParker

    DParker New Member

    I was on methadone for over 2 years, I got married in the summer and my husbands insurance would not cover MMT. I was forced to detox from methadone. I managed to get down to 2mg without feeling a single side effect. I actually thought I was going to get through this painless. It's been a week since my last dose. I can't stand the way I feel now. The nighttime is the worst, I can't sleep and I get that "crawling out of your skin feeling". I'm so agitated, I'm screaming at my family over ridiculous things. The past two nights I've taken dilaudid before bed. I got two pills from someone and feel so guilty, I feel like I am ruining everything. I don't want to start going down that slippery slope again....right into a full blown relapse. Is it too late for me to get on buprenorphine? I have to do something, I can't stand this anymore. Someone please respond, I would really appreciate any advice. [V]
     
  6. sunshine

    sunshine Well-Known Member

    I do not think it is too late for Bup but you will have to get in to see a doc to determine that. I believe that if you are below 30mg of methadone the docs can start you on Bup. Use the locator and call some docs in your area and explain your situation. When I was at my Bup doc he was working with another patient who was on methadone at the same same as me, I was there for herion and OC's, and he did great. DO some research call around and see. It can't hurt! FYI my insurance covered 100% of my treatment.
     
  7. sunshine

    sunshine Well-Known Member

    I do not think it is too late for Bup but you will have to get in to see a doc to determine that. I believe that if you are below 30mg of methadone the docs can start you on Bup. Use the locator and call some docs in your area and explain your situation. When I was at my Bup doc he was working with another patient who was on methadone at the same same as me, I was there for herion and OC's, and he did great. DO some research call around and see. It can't hurt! FYI my insurance covered 100% of my treatment.
     
  8. DParker

    DParker New Member

    Thanks for responding sunshine. I tried the facility locator the day you posted, there were sixty doctors listed. I called at least forty-five, the others were just too far. Not a single one is accepting new patients for Buprenorphine. I'm going on week two now and other than those two nights of dilaudid, I haven't used anything. It is 15 degrees here, and I tell myself everytime I step out in the cold that I'd rather be dead than go back to the streets everyday looking for a fix. I think I'm starting to feel a little better...If only I could get a good nights sleep. It's terrible, tossing and turning all night, watching the hours tick away. My husband has been very understanding considering he doesn't fully understand addiction, he's never used a drug in his life. I've been laying around the house for over a week now, not doing a damn thing. God, I just want to feel like I did before I ever started using......such a long journey back.
     
  9. sunshine

    sunshine Well-Known Member

    It is a long road back but worth the trip sweetheart! It is very cold here too about 14 degrees and we just got hit by a ton of snow yeserday. I am in Northwestern PA in the snow belt of the lake effect area of Lake Erie. I am sorry DParker that you were unable to get in to a doc. The FDA has a strict 30 patient limit for patients on Sub so the docs fill up quick. There was only one doctor in my area so I felt so lucky to be one of 30 junkies in my area that were able to be in the program. This is what stopped me from relapse over the holidays. I knew I was lucky to be in the program and that others wanted to be so I managed not to screw it up.
    Maybe you could see an addiction doctor for other meds like clondine and AD's? How many days clean are you? I am sure that your husband will be happy when you have returned to your normal self. Remember you will laugh, love, and be happy again and there is light at the end of the tunnel. Best to you!
     
  10. joberri

    joberri Active Member

    to r0648791...not all our stories are scary! Here's a good one for you: after 10yrs on H I did a 2yr bup maintenance program and I'm now 6.5 days from my last dose and I'm still standing and feeling better by the day. As to bup dose I agree that 16mg a day is too high - I started on 12mg, stayed there for about a year then went down to 8mg (felt not a thing!)then over last 2 months tapered SLOWLY down to 1mg (which surprisingly was still holding me!)then jumped off with the help of valium, brufen and some mild sleeping pill I'd never heard of called "stillnox". Today I've had NOTHING and all I'm feeling is lethargic which I know will pass and hey who cares if I lounge around for a few more days! Day 3 was the worst and I questioned my resolve but I got through it. Basically my advise is go for the maintenance, stay on it as long as you need to to turn your life around and remember U R STRONG - like all of us you've probably detoxed numerous times but just haven't lasted the long haul. It takes TIME to change your life. Bup detox, even after 2yrs is nowhere near as bad as methadone or even gear. GOOD LUCK!

    To DParker...stay strong baby, you are basically there! Well done!

    joberri
     
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