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    Default Smoking Heroin vs. Injecting or snorting it

    Hi,

    I am new to this forum by the way and had a question. I've been a "functional" heroin addict since I was 19, and 6 years later, am still in the same situation, only now I'm in my career (crazy but I was able to finish school as a junkie) and the cash flow isn't a problem as it used to be making it even that much harder to stop (even though its never stopped me before, if there's a will there's a way!) and not to mention, my boyfriend is an addict in the same way too.

    Anyways, I heard it was harder to quit heroin if you smoke it because it stays in your fat cells, is this true?

    and I was wondering what everyone thought of rapid detox cause I am considering doing this because I am at the end of my rope and don't see an end in sight...

    also I have methadone pills I buy off the street, this has worked for me before on top of Prozac but it seems to only work at my parents house and not when I am in my usual environment, like at home....

    anyway considering all this, what do you think I my best bet would be to stop? I am also considering using buprenorphine as well.

    any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated

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    Been there, done that. The years when I was in undergraduate school allowed me to keep my addiction in check, using heavily in the summer an d chipping through the rest of the year. After collage I proud of my functionality. I was an addict, but I had a job, and an income, and a home, and an assortment of tricks for traveling and carrying on a "normal" life without ever missing a fix. There are no successful junkies, and functionality is illusion. For me it all fell apart in my mid-20's when I stepped out of a building in New York and into the arms of two cops who found a bundle in my pocket. From there and for the next eight years it just got worse and worse and worse. The functionality stops with that first arrest or the first time your health goes south because, while morphine is relatively benign, it leaves you ripe for pneumonias and other pulmonary ailments. You got the right idea. Quit now.

    Smoking, snorting, shooting -- after six years of addiction how you use stopped being much of issue a ways back down the road.

    Avoid UROD. Read all of the horror stories. Do you really want to risk being sick for weeks? (As many people report.) If you've had success with a short term methadone detox when visiting your parents, atke a week and go home. It's so much harder to kick when dope is only a phone call away.

    Is your boyfriend cleaning up? I'm sure I won't be the only one to tell you that if he isn't -- and if you really want to stop using -- you can't stay in the relationship. There are few absolutes, but that's one of them.

    Good luck!

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    there is absolutely NO reason to ever do UROD (rapid dtx.) for a heroin habit!

    think about it, you have at TOPS 7 sh*tty days to get through. what happens when you get the flu? do you go to the hospital for an operation? no. you go through it because you have to. now just pretend for this, that you HAVE to. and besides, usually it's only 4 really bad days.

    if you are worried about the PAWS and the lingering depression after the acute w/d's, then do some research on natural medicines (5-HTP, Gaba, B-12, etc. there's tons) and if you don't have the will to do that research, then see a doctor about possibly trying some anti-depressants.

    and really, truly, ALL you have to do to avoid the 5-7 days of hell w/d's is get some codeine, darvocet, hydrocodone or oxycodone and take them for the first five days. in five days you will NOT have gotten addicted to the pills, and you'll have bypassed the acute w/d's from heroin. of course, you have to be REALLY dedicated to do this, just get enough pills for that short of a time, no longer. and it will be painless in the sense that you'll come out the other end thinking "god, that was easy" so it's just as easy to screw up and go back to the Horse, knowing how easy it was to get off. but it wouldn't be any different with UROD, except that your life-savings just went down the drain. i mean, c'mon. you do heroin. i'm sure you can figure out a way to get a five day supply of vicodin?

    oh and to answer your other question. i used to shoot, snort and smoke heroin. no method was any easier to kick than any other.

    "i've seen the needle and the damage done"

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    UROD peddlers should be lined up against a wall somewhere. Reminds me of those 19th century traveling snake oil docs. There is no quick fix (except of course, a quick fix...) and we all have to break through to get to the other side. Really dislike those guys who promise impossibilties -waving them beneath our noses like some ultra rich chocolaty double dutch to a starving man and our lips DO water, because we want, nay, almost have to believe...oh how we want to believe, isn't it?- literally taking advantage of people in desperate situations (visions of Nixon exclaiming 'I AM NOT A CROOK!' fill my eyes).

    Good luck.
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    Hi Can'tstop, and welcome. I have a fair amount of experience with opiates, although not heroin specifically. However, as I'm sure you can imagine, there are plenty of similarities.

    My opinions on the following are exactly that, my opionions. My opinions are shaped by: my personal experience, the personal experience of my friends, and the experience of my Forum friends. With that in mind:

    I don't think the route of administration plays a role in detoxing...we all hear of people as addicted to the needle, as they are the drug, but beyond that it matters not. The only bearing route of administration would have, would be any effect on the drugs half-life and detox.

    I have heard far more bad stories than good when it comes to UROD...besides, and I think you'll agree, "getting clean" is far easier than "staying clean". I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone say: "Well, I figured that since it's so expensive, 1) it MUST be good, and 2) I'll surely had a better shot at sobriety having pumped thousands of dollars into the effort. THAT my friend, is bogus..

    As far as bupe is concerned, I think it's a great detox tool, but I'd stay the hell away from it for maintenance. Based on your using history/ age....I would consider ANY maintenance med a last resort, and ONLY after all conventional methods are exhausted.

    Lastly, you're at the end of your rope? Have you considered a medical detox? Choices abound, and range from a few days to a full-on 28 day program. (detox and early recovery). I think that all of us feel like we're at the end of our rope when we're finally able to concede to our innermost selves that: Drugs won, I lost.

    Having spent a little time here, what do [u]you</u> think it will take? If you're still unsure, how 'bout you spend some time here reading stories, asking questions, and getting connected with the many folks who have been exactly where you are now, and have found a solution...

    We're glad you're here!

    Mic




    quote:Originally posted by cantstop

    Hi,

    I am new to this forum by the way and had a question. I've been a "functional" heroin addict since I was 19, and 6 years later, am still in the same situation, only now I'm in my career (crazy but I was able to finish school as a junkie) and the cash flow isn't a problem as it used to be making it even that much harder to stop (even though its never stopped me before, if there's a will there's a way!) and not to mention, my boyfriend is an addict in the same way too.

    Anyways, I heard it was harder to quit heroin if you smoke it because it stays in your fat cells, is this true?

    and I was wondering what everyone thought of rapid detox cause I am considering doing this because I am at the end of my rope and don't see an end in sight...

    also I have methadone pills I buy off the street, this has worked for me before on top of Prozac but it seems to only work at my parents house and not when I am in my usual environment, like at home....

    anyway considering all this, what do you think I my best bet would be to stop? I am also considering using buprenorphine as well.

    any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated
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    Hi Cantstop,
    Ive found (and this is based on MY personal experience, and seeing others in 2 re-habs and peeps I know~~use to know)
    that the w/d's are or CAN be more intense coming off the needle, which is why peeps often try and smoke it prior to detox. Unfortunatley this is easier said than done, as use of the pin can be a seperate obsession to combat in itself.
    I think this is because its going directly into your blood/brain strait away, instead of being absorbed by the lungs, so your body gets more of it.
    we are all different anyway, so I suppose it varies.
    Interesting what you said about the fat cells (saunas meant to help that)....I would like to find out more about that.

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