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    Assuming someone has the self control to Taper off Heroin using heroin, What is the proper way to taper?
    decrease the amount everyday? decrease every 2 days?
    how much should the decrease be.?

    --incase anybody asks it has been a 2 month or so habit of around 6 a day sniffing.

    Thanks for any info.


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    I've never known anyone who could do it w heroin, ant, but the theory is to cut your dose just a little bit every 3-4 days so that you have time to stabilize between reductions, so that you are not constantly sick. You feel bad for a day after your reduction, then you feel ok for a couple days, then you cut the dose again.

    The slower you can go....the more comfortable you will be. The faster you go, the sooner it will all be over with. Good luck!

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    Pretty hard to taper when shooting, smoking, or snorting, because you are still going for the RUSH. I encourage you to TRY, but if it doesn't work, admit it soon, and look for another way. Otherwise nothing is gonna change.
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    Good Luck!I started off sniffing.try to do half of what you normally would do. to start.Please don't ever try shooting!It is much much worse!And so is the withdrawals!Don't ever do it!Please I beg you.Lady

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    I have attempted to do a heroin taper and I'm pretty sure I could have finished it if I had not been arrested. I was arrested in early December for posession of a hypodermic needle, I was scared I was going to go to prison, and even though it was counter productive I started using even more heroin to deal with the stress. When my trial finally came around the DA decided to dissmiss it, I walked away only having to pay $100. After this I decided I got off lucky, and that I needed to stop. I didn't want to have to deal with doctors or the clinic so I decided I would just taper down. I was doing pretty well, I had cut my habbit down to about $20 a day down from a $100+! I had decided that the upcoming friday would be my last day shooting, then I would go back to snorting it. I got arrested that wednesday again for posession of a hypodermic needle. This absolutly drives me nuts, i decided to clean up and then I get arrested. When i wen't to my court date the judge decided since he had just seen me that I had to take random drug tests. It bothers me that the judge will think he's the one that made me give up dope when it was actually a decision I had made before I had gotten arrested. Now the extra stress of having potential jail time hanging over my head makes me want to use realy badly. Luckily I got my hands on 90 100 mg tramadol, these things are a seriouse life saver, they have eliminated my remaining withdrawal symptoms and made it possible for me to continue to taper off while still passing my drug tests. Sorry for rambling and getting off topic, I do believe it is possible to taper off of heroin with heroin if you have decided that you want to quit, but keep in mind it's still illegal even when you are trying to quite, and no one will believe that you were.

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    yeah rik, it's bad over here. i got popped with a felony(still on my record) for having a EMPTY bag! one torn flat and wiped out. hard *** cops know most hard core junkies don't have resources to challenge such a arrest and no motivation.....and when you bitched, the standard answer i got from prosecutors in my location was "well you had it? didn't you? so too bad!" only once did i see a charge like this get dropped by someone who managed to roll the system all the way to jury , the state shut it down, to much money to persue....don't get popped for drugs the the usa or you might as well stick a noose around your neck..


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    I think if someone has willpower enough to control there drug use then they could taper with whatever substance is on hand. Being addicts I would imagine self control is not one of my longsuits anyway when I am in active addiction. I have in the past had good intentions of tapering and maybe even making back some money but I like the drug to much and have no self control. Other then self issues there is no reason why a person couldn't taper with anything. My understanding is the supervised withdraw from a clinic or doctor is the tried and true way and the most sucsessful. Stay Strong and Keep Centered!Andy

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    i trird the reduction cure when i was shooting 3 grams a day and i didn't work. you always make an excuse for that extra shot.i don't believe it can work, maybe if you had someone there with you to control your dose schedule who didn't use but i had my wif e, who doesn't use and it still didn't work. i wish you luck.

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    Hey Ant!

    You said it in one - control!!! Yes it is possible but it's all about control. I beleive it is ultimately dependant upon where abouts you are as far as using / recovering. Having someone to help you through it will give you a better chance of achieving it.

    I have used heroin to withdraw twice in the past.

    1st time I was still having "fun" but my partner had almost overdosed just after our 6mth baby girl was very sick. This scared both of us into cleaning up. We both had 1/4gram habits and all we did to cut down was half the amount we used every second day. Until the end then the last week it was three days then a token shot 4 days later. This worked incredible well to a pain free detox. But we only stayed clean for 2 months.

    2nd time was many years later and I used heroin to withdraw from methadone. Once again it was successful but it is a really big hassle. Not to mention very expensive, risky, illegal, etc.

    It's my belief that it is not the answer to anything except a fairly painless withdrawal. Unless you have someone to dole it out it is almost impossible. I am currently back on methadone for chronic back pain and am reducing nearing time for detox and would love to again use heroin to detox. Only this time I don't have the partner I trusted to do this with or the money or veins or contact, etc that's needed to attempt that.

    Anyway I don't know if my info has been helpful or not but I wish you all the very best. The only thing that I would love to add is stay smart and never ever inject, there is absolutely no turning back after that.

    Take care,
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    I've been off Smack now for a month and a half after a few episodes throughout my life on and off it over 10 years. Long periods of Abstinence with a family travelling the world, a successfull IT company the lot, only to turn to 'old friends' I hadn't seen since a 3 year prison stretch in Spain a few years earlier. (I owned bars over there)all of a sudden I'm back on the gear. Followed by two years of spending everything on Crack and Smack - upto ?300 daily. Always snorted coke in huge amounts even when I wasn't on Smack. Fast forward 1 separation ( of both cash (what was left) and my house which I had to sign over before I gambled and smoked the lot away like a true Viking, down in a baze of, not quite glory, more sorrow and despair in my situation) 2 Cold turkeys RAW and I mean a few spliffs. I quite enjoyed the emotional rollarcoaster ride of emotions, even thoygh I was sad, I was glad I was sad as it meant I had feelings! weird eh? Songs on the radio making you cry and all that crap. Anyway, present day, I just gave up another bar last year with a brillaint girl from England who though has never taken substance abuse (except for recreational lines of coke years ago)to help me off Subutex which I have been on for around 1 1/2 months,(since I stopped the smack) Problem is now, I'm on a drug order after being stopped searched and posession of crack and smack. Only got pulled over because of the rat bag I had in the car with me was well known to the police. Anyway the oreder from the court means I have to give negative saples for a year twice a week which I have done from the beginning. I want to stop it as we have bought another bar as the Subutex was working so well! HA HA Jesus H CHRIST. The turkey off the Subutex is terrible if you use it for more than 3-5 days and only in a 4mg dose, no matter what your habit, on the first day of The W/D, go to full Turkey then have 1 X 4mg Subutex under your tongue.10 mins later it will dissolve. Leave this for 2 hours DO NOT have more. You Do NOT NEED IT. Repeat one more time 2 days later.Only if your habits big. (for methodone to Subutex see other people I don't know about it.) This will last for a further 3 days. The pain for the Heroin Will be subsiding as it only has a half life of 4 hours and leaves the body quickly by the time the Subutex leaves your body a further 21 - yes thats 21 days later!!!! Suffer the natural W/D from the brown with a few Benzo's and a few DF118's in the first few days. but do it. your getting better after 5-7 days thats a physical and Biological fact - no matter how bad you feel, the truth of the matter is. 36 hours after withdrawing from Heroin, Its out of your body completely. The rest is in your head expecting to feel bad all the time and your body righting the wrong you've done it. Believe me, its easier doing a str8 detox from Brown with a few Valium. Nothing else. I'm about to do a Subutex detox using small amounts of Heroin to come of it over the next 21 -35 days. Sorry for waffling on. Just had a joint. Only thing that keeps me sane. I'm down to 0.2mg yes thats 0.2 mg of Subutex every 2 days or so and so expect the heroin use to be inefrequent only in the morning and the evening with a joint for sleep. getting smaller over the days. ANY WORDS OF INTEREST FROM ANYONE WOULD BE VERY VERY MUCH APPRECIATED FROM YOUR¬COUSIN OVER THE WATER!! - Tom

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    Subutex to Methadone is like what? Can a person or maybe I should say I have been on Methadone since May 97 and I'm very concerned about coming off because of the withdraw. I want to be drug free eventually and I have heard that it is easier to come off Subutex. We don't get it here in Canada but I am curious for when the time comes I can make the move I want to know as much about it as possible. Good luck with your withdraw.I thought with Bup or Sub if a person mixed with opiates they got sick? Stay Strong and Keep Centered!
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    Thanks Andy,

    I'm not mixing the Subutex and the Opiates, I stopped using the Subutex on Monday evening and have had 2 little lines of H for the pain last night. I'm still okay now. A bit wasted actually, with a few joints, I slept from 05:50 Wednesday morning till 16:15 Wednesday afternoon, I'm not gonna touch anything till tomorrow afternoon where I'll see if anything I'll ty a few Valium and/or Tamazpams. I've been hoping for some advice but I don't know if there's anyone there that can help me really.
    I think my mate's better off than me, as he hasn't had a long time on Subutex off the Heroin (he's just come off a 0.5 gramme a day injecting smack habit onto Subutex - Firstly, he was on about 8mg for 3 days then got it down to 2-4 mg per day over next 7 days) he's gone to Thailand, where its hot 35Cand there's a beach, (-the sun will heal his Ulcers which he has really badly in his lower left leg) and he won't be feeling the cold and he has his older sister a teacher who is aware of the situation, but after he went, I found this site after being up, " zElectrifiedz " trying to come of Sub, Thinking I would be okay............and wasn't. Anyway, he's been injecting for 5 years both crack and smack, upto a gramme of both sometimes a day. He looks 17, the lucky bastard, but this is his real last chance as far a he's concerned. I'm just a bit worried, do you think he will okay going down to nothing from 2-3 mg Subutex a day only 10 days after stopping drugs after so long, you think after a after 2 weeks of heavy sweating out there, will ths speed up his recovery ?

    cheers, 'if your still there?

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