So In Trying to get off black tar, I decided to use suboxone to do it. I took my last dose yesterday morning at 8 am, waited till 8 35 am today, and took half a suboxone. By this time I was throwing up everything I had, just yellow stuff since I hadnt eaten much, I was gagging even though I had nothing left. I was feeling incredibly cold, uncomfortable, just miserable. So I figured I'd hit it on the timing and took the 4mgs. 50 minutes later, feeling much the same, not too good. I was thinking I was getting better until I threw up yet again. After that I took another 4mg, which did nothing to stop the withdrawals. What went wrong? The purity of the stuff I get is over 80%, it costs me 150 a g. And I consume that in 2 - 3 days. Is it possible that I am beyond suboxone? The first detox I did, I was already incoherent 17 hours in when I was doing really shitty stuff, and the suboxone worked wonderfully, brought me back to normal i=within an hour,something I was hoping for this time. Needless to say, I couldnt hang, and got someHand cured my pains

You took too much sub TOO SOON. The induction with sub ..you need to be in medium to moderate WDs...from the H. The tar seems to bind to the receptors longer. So you need to be on the heavier side of the COWS scale.

It's not a clock thing....it's a WD thing. You went into precipitated WDs.

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Sigh I have no way of waiting longer than 24 hours, it was unbearable at that point because I was constantly throwing up. Before it was just shakes, inability to sit and all, but now the first symptom to hit seems to be a blast of vomitting. Not fun at all smelling that and feeling that way, just increases the amount of vomit attempts. I came clean with my parents, told them I have an opiate dependence, though they think its suboxone. I cant tell them its heroin, that would devastate the family. So now I have them helping me on a taper regimen that will hopefully end with a quick four day suboxone stop and then CT which should *Praying really hard here* be painless.

Goes like this:

.25mg Tar today, tommorow day after
.2 the next three days
.15 three days after that
.10 three days
.07 three days
.05 three days
.03 if possible for ten days


I have a double digit decimal scale so I can measure out such amounts. The stuff, as I said, is really pure, so today at .25 Im holding fine, feel a little bad compared to usual where I'd be on heavier amounts, but ok. Do you guys think bringing it down to such a low amount then transitioning to Bupe will work? Even if the H is hundred percent potent, thats 30mg of Diamorphine at the end of the taper, thats something that suboxone can work on right?

My main worry right now is that when I tried induction, I was sometimes consuming .7 in a day, which could have been 700mg of diamorphine! thats huge, so I'm first trying to lower my dosage to a fraction of what it was before, hoping that slowly withdraws me off it and then jump with 2mg of suboxone one day, 1mg the next, .5 the next and .25 the final day, then go cold turkey and try to tough it out. By then withdrawals should be nonexistent or minimal except sleep, I hope.

Any input on the plan?

I am on the run so this is quick: I don't understand why you are messing with the sub in the first place.

If you have zero qualms going that avenue why not use small amounts of codeine (can be used from the first day) and trash the sub, its quicker and less dramatic....stop by day 4/5.

judude is sub expert; he may disagree and think sub is a good detox?.

Tempus, there is no painless way to detox. Period. Even with the Suboxone, it's uncomfortable, but not as bad as it could be. The good news is, once it's done, it's done. Unless you pick up again.
Jdude is the resident Suboxone expert so, listen to him. We've been there.
Keep posting!

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Free since Thursday January 31, 2008.

Hey guys; I figured I owed all the people who helped me out with an update. So now I'm living in Bangalore (compared to the rest of the world, this place is like an oasis. Temperature in the daytime is 90 C, nighttime 50-60C. Which is identical to a hot summer in cali. I landed like an idiot in madras first, thinking i wanted to see my cousins, and blacked out when i got out the AC car from asphyxiation? The air was hot, and packed with dust and water, the few breezes that did come brought hot air, like what you get out of a hair dryer when its not turned all the way up. THis was at 2 AM by the way. I decided to go for a walk because the house was horribly cramped and i get claustrophobic if I cant at least walk from one end of the room to another with at least five steps. So the same night, as my suboxone was wearing off and I was going into the damn shiver/sweat routine again, I took another 4mg. Calmed it down and was able to think about escape. I woke up my mom, and told her that we are leaving tommrow morning, screw meeting all the relatives. I didnt feel like dying of a heatstroke trying to beat opiates. So me, being the big explorer, decided we take a car to bangalore 480km away. The rental agency sent us a 67bhp tata indica and a driver who deserves to have his license revoked and tortured brutally for a week. He took us along at 60kmph. If you guys could imagine driving that slow across a highway, you'd realize how annoying it is. The cars top speed was 100kmph, which h e wouldnt do cuz the thing would overheat. And while we're out in 100 F heat, this ****er turns down the AC cuz its too cold. I was sitting up front, so I just reminded him that hes the driver, and we're the passengers, and we're right. So he turned it back up full, and I'd turn it up everytime he tried turning it down. Finally 8 hours later, we arrived in bangalore, to find the place pouring rain (Thats actually a bit of an understatement). Most trafffic had pulled to the side of the road as visibility went to 5 feet, and we got caught further in traffic as the idiot took two wrong turns, and cost us another hour to turn around and get past worktime traffic. the city is absolute hell for driving. Finally after 8 people who gave us instructions, we arrived at our house. Its beautiful, an appartment on the 14th floor with a awesome view of the city skyline. It comes with a swimming pool, tennis table courts, and a park, a gym. I've spotted two women I consider pretty, and if all goes well, Ill have one or two within a month. But, the best part is.


Its bin a month since I did H. My scars are fading out, I have all sorts of wierd interests again that I thought I lost. For some reason, gettin a girl is on the top of my priorites, something I didnt think about at all when I was in the throe of H addiction. I've been drinking a bit with some friends I've made, but not getting pissed drunk or doing it everyday. As I've been talking to people, H is available here, and a guy asked me the first day if I wanted to get some. I said no, Im dead scared now of what happened, and do not want to go through these past weeks again, ever. besides Im with family and extended family allways, and I cant get a moment to myself to try scoring or even getting a rig and slamming it up. Ok saying that just sent a whole bunch of regret rushing through my head. Never to feel that again. Ok now I just gotta not think of it. If I convert my energy on women and trying to see how many I can bed in 6 months, that should replace my addiction. anD I REALLY didnt expect this, but I feel horny as hell, all day. I mean Id mastrubate once or twice a week before opiates, then never or once a month on opiates, and past opiates, its like 7 times a day! Im thinking of seeing the doctor to see if this will pass or is it going to be a permanent, which scares the crap outa me; ill be useless in bed if it is.

ON the good side, last day is the last dose of .2mg sub, and then its jump time. I have ativan and whiskey. Hopefully I can keep myself on the bare edge of consiousness for four days, and come out with a hangover and not much else.

Well,,,good luck in your quest. There are a lot of forks in the road to recovery. One of them being switching addictions. Alcohol is the main stop on that detour.
The benzos are are dead end street, but mixing the 2, you may find the bridge is out..without any warnings.

Godspeed
Jay

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I agree with this 100%

4mg subs arnt enough, id wait about 16 hours after your last dose and take 8mg under your tounge, u should be good