Our Journey with Ibogaine

his.mom · 01-03-2010, 10:38 AM

Well, my son got out of detox early (thanks to his enabling mom, me) and it looked to me like he went out and immediately used. Not 100% sure about that, but that's what it looked like to me.

Anyway, having almost lost all hope, I saw the posts about Ibogaine. After looking into it, I couldn't believe what I was reading! Could this be the answer for my son? I know, I know, nothing is a magical cure and there are those that Ibogaine hasn't helped, but what if it can help my son? I am willing to give it a try and pay for his treatment. I must say that I also spoke with a wonderful member (I will call him "Bill" for now, unless he is willing to have his identity revealed) here who has been through the treatment with great success. You know who you are and I want to thank you again!!

So I thought that I would chronicle our journey with Ibogaine. Of course, it will be from a "mother's perspective", but maybe my son will eventually chime in here. Here goes.........

I contacted the Ibogaine Association located in Tijuana Mexico yesterday. Was able to speak to a wonderful woman (recovering addict, herself). The treatment center only treats a handful of patients at a time (I believe 4). She told me that they have an available room this week if we are interested. I told her that we would be down there on Monday. At first, my son seemed reluctant until he saw some of the testimonials on youtube. Now he seems somewhat excited. Spoke again with Bill and told him that I realized that neither my son, or I, have our passports. Uuuughhh. He said that he didn't think that we needed them as long as we have our birth certs and a valid DL. I have been really looking into it and think that I would be much more comfortable with the passport.

So, I just made an appointment with the State Building in Los Angeles to get an expedited passport for Tues morning at 8:30 am. Since LA is at least an hour away from where we live, I have just booked us a room in a very nice Hotel (Westwood) so that we can stay there and go to the appointment on time. I also would like to have some alone time with my son, since I have any real quality time with him so seldom these days. Seems that I am always at odds with him anymore. We will have a nice dinner and watch Monday Night Football together.

After doing some more research on the passport situation, I realized that it still may take a couple of weeks to receive the expedited passport. So I found an agency in LA that has "same day service" and can guarantee your passport within 48 hours! So I think that I will get my work done early on Monday, go to the Auto Club to get our passport photos and head on down to LA. We will get our passports with this agency if they can guarantee it FAST (within 48 hours).

I will be contacting Claire, from Ibogaine Association (IA) later this afternoon to let her know our plans. I may need a letter from her confirming our appointment there for the expedition of our passports.

You may not believe this but my biggest concern is that my son will not want to go to treatment if he believes that he will miss the Chargers Play-off game scheduled for the weekend of the 17/18. Does that sound dumb? As I write this I realize how much I allow my son's desires rule my life. Well, either way, I figure if we can get the passports asap, we can take a trip to the clinic to meet the doctors, see the facility and ask any questions we may have on Thursday or Friday. If all looks good, we can check him in on Monday Jan 12 and he will be done by Friday Jan 16.

My computer is down at home, so I will only be able to access this site in the mornings from my office.

I realize that this may be somewhat boring to some of you, but I must tell you that I am somehow pacified by writing these posts. A journal of sorts and maybe some other parent can benefit from my posts in some small way. Thank you if you have read this far......

jdude · 01-03-2010, 03:20 PM

Good luck with your quest hm. It doesn't take much to understand the desperation of an addict's family member. But you know that old saying:'You can lead a horse to water..'. No matter what you want or even try to hold his end under water....he has to realize he's thirsty.
No matter what any member says about it covertly....or otherwise...for whatever personal gain.

You should also know my opinion of the ..as of yet... illegal treatment is somewhat jaded. I have no first hand experience with it. Mine is second hand. A very close and dear friend of mine went thru the treatment. I visit her and bring her flowers every time I'm back in TX. I leave them at her tombstone.

Godspeed

Jay

<center>You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.</center>

his.mom · 01-04-2010, 03:55 AM

Jay, are you saying that the treatment killed her or that she went back to using and ended up dying? Please let me know because I would like to know what happened. We are set to get things going, starting today with our passports today.

ryuloudog · 01-04-2010, 04:43 AM

Hi, I'm an 29 yr old addict, i've put my mother thru hell also. I have hope for your son, but he needs to want this 2. I'm on day 3 of detox at home, i just keep reading posts here and things are getting better. Have your son check this site out. You can private message me if u want. if he needs someone to talk 2. im all the way over in ny, but one addict talking to another can help a great deal. how old is he? or maybe you've already said. like i said i dont feel that great either. Your an awesome MOM, dont forget that!!

his.mom · 01-04-2010, 05:51 AM

Ryuloudog - thank you for your kind words and I wish you well with your detox. You must be making your own Mother so proud right now. I know that I would be proud. Funny how family of addicts/addicts find some real appreciation of the little things in life huh? I actually think that there is some really good things that come out of addictions, like the appreciation of life and how we view those little things it brings our way. Before addiction (his and my own), I know that I would tend to overlook and take for granted those things.

My son is 25 years old and I am hoping that he will join this forum. God only knows that it has done wonders for me. Good luck and I will certainly let my son know that you are willing to speak with him. Bless you.

his.mom · 01-05-2010, 05:03 AM

Well, we went to LA and our passports should be here by 3pm today. I will go pick them up. My son and I were able to have a nice dinner and a nice talk. I know that he is nervous and so am I. He seems to think that getting high (whether it's drugs, alcohol, etc) is just a part of life. Like everyone needs to get high on their DOC at various times in order to release stress, relax, etc. I am hoping that this is just the drug thinking. He seems to think that EVERYONE uses something at one time or another. Anyway, it worries me a bit.

I am a bit worried about staying in Mexico by myself so I am trying to get a few friends to go along with me. I may have to make several overnight trips down there instead of the entire 10 day stay. Will update as soon as I have passports in hand.

Bonita · 01-05-2010, 05:21 AM

Mom.......... I did this treatment. I pm you with my number to call me if you chose. As Jude said, there are risk. I am a lot older then your son and I came thru it with flying colors. I did have a few weeks to recover. I stayed in Mexico extra days mainly due to Hurricane and fear I would be stuck at the airport for days. I had the money so I stayed in Saluylita a few extra days... then flew to Fla. and had a great week with all my family at my side... it was great.

But....For you to travel with your son.. well, I would not recomened it. He needs to stay focused prior to treatment and after. Well to put it bluntly.. the last thing I wanted was family around me. I needed time to review what I witness during the treatment, couldnt talk very well for about 48 hours and people checking on me got on my nerves.

He has to stand on his own two feet. The Assoc. will take good care of him. Be sure he rehydrates, eats when he can. Allow him time to voice he fears, experience and what to do next. You can do little to "make" him stay clean. You will not understand what he is feeling post iboga, unless you experience it yourself. And I am not suggesting you do it yourself either... but maybe down the line.

Look forward to hearing from you if you choose.

Bonita

<center>omission is not honesty, only different ways of lying</center>

Jymi · 01-05-2010, 07:40 AM

Thanks for that Bonita.. I tend to agree. Maybe sticking around through the treatment and then heading out so as he is reintroduced to a clean head he doesn't have the urge to recreate those co dependent enabling relationships us dope lovers are so fond of. Then after a few days or a week checking up on his progress with a visit. Time and space after such a life altering experience is essential.. So we can process and learn to introduce our selfs to old environments and people in new ways!

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<center>Never give children a chance of imagining that anything exists in isolation. Make it plain from the very beginning that all living is relationship. Show them relationships in the woods, in the fields, in the ponds and streams, in the village and in the country around it. Rub it in ~Aldous Huxley~</center>

his.mom · 01-05-2010, 03:10 PM

Well, I just got back from LA with passports in hand. Called Claire at the Ibogaine Assoc. and let her know that we should be arriving around noon or so.

After speaking with Bonita, I must say that some of my concerns have been calmed. I am still nervous of course, but cautiously optimistic. Any of you that believe in the power of prayer, please say a prayer for my son tonight. I would greatly appreciate it.

ThePrecipice · 01-05-2010, 06:31 PM

I have thought hard about this (and this coming from a dude who has tried/tested/learned inside out most if not all methods under the sun/moon/stars etc etc etc). I think this works like placebo but even if that were the case and it works for your son (as placebo) that would be awesome. Maybe I am wrong and it really re-wires you (though that gives me the creeps-I have no desire to be re-wired thank you) and your son can start again - maybe that is good.

Regardless good luck.

Ok I am leaving this post.

Jymi · 01-05-2010, 07:08 PM

I'd suggest doing a google search on GDNF and ibogaine's effect on this growth factor on the NMDA receptors in the brains dopamine pathways.. Also its ability to reset the opiate receptors to normal function.. There are several other studies on other parts of the brain ibogaine and nor ibogaine effect. There is nothing placebo about its ability to normalize brain function and attinuate withdrawal. No colonic purging, no sweats and chills, no weeks of hellish sleeplessness and no lusty opiate cravings. when your ready to stop suffering, nature manifests miracles!

And NO I was not paid to write this! heh

<center>Never give children a chance of imagining that anything exists in isolation. Make it plain from the very beginning that all living is relationship. Show them relationships in the woods, in the fields, in the ponds and streams, in the village and in the country around it. Rub it in ~Aldous Huxley~</center>

his.mom · 01-05-2010, 07:48 PM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Jymi

I'd suggest doing a google search on GDNF and ibogaine's effect on this growth factor on the NMDA receptors in the brains dopamine pathways.. Also its ability to reset the opiate receptors to normal function.. There are several other studies on other parts of the brain ibogaine and nor ibogaine effect. There is nothing placebo about its ability to normalize brain function and attinuate withdrawal. No colonic purging, no sweats and chills, no weeks of hellish sleeplessness and no lusty opiate cravings. when your ready to stop suffering, nature manifests miracles!

And NO I was not paid to write this! heh

<center>Never give children a chance of imagining that anything exists in isolation. Make it plain from the very beginning that all living is relationship. Show them relationships in the woods, in the fields, in the ponds and streams, in the village and in the country around it. Rub it in ~Aldous Huxley~</center>

lol!

his.mom · 01-05-2010, 07:51 PM

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Jymi

I'd suggest doing a google search on GDNF and ibogaine's effect on this growth factor on the NMDA receptors in the brains dopamine pathways.. Also its ability to reset the opiate receptors to normal function.. There are several other studies on other parts of the brain ibogaine and nor ibogaine effect. There is nothing placebo about its ability to normalize brain function and attinuate withdrawal. No colonic purging, no sweats and chills, no weeks of hellish sleeplessness and no lusty opiate cravings. when your ready to stop suffering, nature manifests miracles!

And NO I was not paid to write this! heh

<center>Never give children a chance of imagining that anything exists in isolation. Make it plain from the very beginning that all living is relationship. Show them relationships in the woods, in the fields, in the ponds and streams, in the village and in the country around it. Rub it in ~Aldous Huxley~</center>

Let me tell you that the lol was regarding the comment about "not being paid for to write this". I KNOW your are genuine and sincere Jymi! Thank you!

ThePrecipice · 01-05-2010, 08:33 PM

Let's not laugh too soon.

We still don't know enough about this drug.

There are no long term recovery stats for a start.

If this does miraculously evens out our brain chemistry in a relatively short time (something which we achieve in normal recovery anyway) there is nothing miraculous about it because (just like the rest of us) it is what we do and how we live our lives after that that makes the acid test.

And if we assume that it does take away the desire (or whatever it is that make us go back and no recovery program/plan is necessary) then the mexican place (what ordinary junkies can afford that!) not to mention FDA are behaving like criminals.

Regards.

Jymi · 01-05-2010, 09:07 PM

This is true, ibogaine is only a method of detox that happens to help many people gain insight to the roots of addiction but nothing will stop you from looking away from the light, nothing will stop you from picking up the junk and putting it in you. Changing the patterns that bring you back to that state of seperation and worthlessness inside takes dedication and strength to be honest and open with yourself and the world.

<center>Never give children a chance of imagining that anything exists in isolation. Make it plain from the very beginning that all living is relationship. Show them relationships in the woods, in the fields, in the ponds and streams, in the village and in the country around it. Rub it in ~Aldous Huxley~</center>