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    Default Suboxone 16 mgs, DETOX not MAINTENANCE

    i have acquire 8 2 mg subs to detox myself from heroin. When my wife attended detox, they gave her 2 in the am, 2 at night, for three days and she said she felt fine. obviously i don't have enough to do that, but my question would be, what is the best dosing schedule to achieve maximum comfort level with the tabs that i have. again, 8, 2 mg tablets, or 16 mg total.

    i don't really want to go on a script, i just want to detox using a similar method that has worked for me in the past in a rehab detox. they used a dosing schedule similar to what they used for my wife, and i don't remember feeling any notable discomfort associated with coming off of heroin cold turkey. What's the best option, considering half life of the med, the med half-life vs the dope half-life, etc.

    anyone who has experience with this please reply. I was doing up to a bundle a day for about 6 months, but have had a habit for the past 3-4 years. i have dropped down to about 5 a day currently for maybe a few days or so, and really have no choice but to detox... so uh, please hurry.

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    Hi and welcome, I just posted JDUDE for a taper plan for you, but you can also find one under the sub forum, a sticky it is called. Hang tight. Jay will be here soon. I am so glad you decided enough is enough. Let's just say that this new year will be a good one for you. Nothing is more beautiful than coming back to life after deadening the brain for so long. Make sure you drink loads of liquids, including Gatorade and water. Get a schedule going and try, even though you might not feel like it, to walk each day. Pamper yourself through this. The physical part will be ok once you have the taper and stick to it. Be smart though and have plans in place to remain in recovery so you do not have to do this again. But for now WELCOME and so glad you decided to take your life back. I will always be around to help you in any way I can.
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    yeah, i have already started outpatient rehab, and i will be going to meetings and everything, just need to make it through w/d

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    Welcome to ODR Liquid.....as far as the sub,the induction should be per the COWS scale. If the H is tar, you need to be on the higher end of the scale...closer to moderate.

    It's not really a clock thing..but the longer you wait in medium/moderate WDs...the better.

    Then induct preferably in the am with 2mg and wait at least 90 minutes to see if you need to dose again. That should put you at the saturation/induction level.
    Something along the lines of:
    Day 1&2 no more then 4mg
    Day 3&4 2mg
    Day 5,6,7 1mg
    Day 8,9 .5mg

    Any chance you can get some clonidine?

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    no, not tar, but decent quality sh*t most of the time, from my experience. everyone else says it's amazing compared to the sh*t they are used to from a different city, but it's all relative anyway, i guess. i have a bad habit. period. i have had enough. i can't do it anymore, the money, the stress, the family troubles, work problems... enough is enough. i have wanted to stop for so long now, and just felt that i never have had the means to without losing my job or anything else of the little i have left.

    no clonidine, i don't think... what is it exactly? easily obtainable?

    also, the taper you described requires 10 pills if 4 mg are to used on both days one and two. i only have 8. maybe i can take only 2 mg on day 2 to make up for one, and drop the two .5 mg days to make up the other. any advice as far as another way to compensate for the 2 less?

    i just want to do this right. i most likely won't have another opportunity to obtain subs, so i need to make the most out of what i have, without feeling sh*tty enough to resort to my drug of choice. i have already used the excuse that i hadn't yet received a reply to this post as a reason to use today, but whatever. now that i have something resembling a plan, i have no excuse to continue. i don't want to continue using. i just didn't want to *bleep* it up and just start taking pills all willy nilly, i wanted someone with experience to guide me through the most effective way to use the limited supply i have.

    thank you guys for your quick responses, and thank you for caring. it is nice to be reminded that people really do care, especially when it comes to opiate addiction.

    i'll keep ya posted, and please stop by and drop me some comments, support, etc. once i start the detox, i am going to need it...

    thank you for your help, i will be "home" soon...


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    OH sorry, days 5 6 7 are only 1 mg!!!! sorry, i misread!!!

    thanks again, and yeah, check up on me if you have time

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    Here's a link on the clonidine:
    Clonidine For WD: What it is and why take it

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    will any blood pressure med work, or does only clonidine seem to work? my mother is prescribed a different med Diovan for high blood pressure, 80mg tablets.

    If i could afford a doctor's visit as well as the clonidine script, i would set up an appointment right now, but as it stands i do not have the money.

    honestly, am i out of my mind to try this detox with so little a supply of medication? i know that may be a difficult question to answer considering the fact you do not know me personally, but i haven't tried a bup/sub home detox before and i am obviously afraid of what i am going to be up against. i don't expect to feel perfect, but i obviously don't want to feel anything close to a cold turkey detox.

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    I don't know anything about Diovan. There are a lot of BP meds out there,the only one I know of that works 'off label' is clonidine.

    Don't borrow fear from the future! You have enough sub to do a reasonable short term detox. Short of the clonidine, you can back it up with some Imodium AD. Helps with the skin crawling/heebie jeebies as well as th e gastro issues.

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    took first 2 mg sub @ around 9 am, followed with another an hour or so later

    feeling very cold and anxious

    have to do a lot of things around the house so my 2 yr old daughter can move back in with me. tomorrow. on christmas. kinda cool in a way, but very stressful right now.

    so cold... trying to stay positive, but chest caving in

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    reading tons of stuff on here, have been for the past 3 days, and as you all know, it does wonders for keeping me sane.

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