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    so where do i start....
    im pst and im from australia i have an addiction to poppy seed tea and im trying to kick it
    im not really sure how to this is my problem
    iv been making the tea for around 2 years now after a friend showed me it after having a big weekend of raving
    it started off very lightly only on weekends then moved onto every 2nd day, after this somehow im not sure how but i didnt do it for about 6 months. this w/d's werent there or not like they are now

    then i started doing it daily after a really bad time in my life and that was a year ago now,
    there is an added problem in my situation my gf also does the tea and likes it alot more than i
    but recently the seeds are becomming more and more unavalible and there is an added issue of my gf is going overseas with her family for 6 weeks in august and we both have realised its probally a good goal and reason for us both to quit

    i would love to quit for the money reasons and the fact i hate living my life devoted to a substance

    but the runny nose watery eyes the aches and this stupid thing my foot does all the time oh and also THE INSOMNIA are all making it alot harder than i want it to be

    i also feel very stupid for being addicted to something from the bloody grocery store, i never thought it would get this bad? but hasnt everyone said this ~_~

    also the extents of wich we have to go just to get the seeds to make the tea now is just plane stupid, its now an hours travel just to get them

    iv also asked acouple of doctors for advice/help the ones i went to never heard of the tea or laughed at me and told me to just stop drinking it as it wasnt a bad problem

    im currently into 60 hours of forced detox due to i have no seeds atm thats the only reason but i know more is comming this afternoon, i know that sounds bad but i would like to do this gradually and on my own terms so i can function

    so im really at a wits end cuz i hate feeling like this

    i know there isnt much advice on this many people could give but any would be helpfull

    and i know its hard to judge the habbit of wich i have coz its hard to know how much of what is in the seeds
    but i do 400grams of seeds daily

    oh and it my post seems kinda messed up and out of whack in places its cuz iv been up for almost 3 days ~_~

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    Welcome pst....the poppy seeds from the grocery store are not controlled for the opiate value. But rather flavor and appearances. Even the seeds harvested a few weeks earlier can contain more or less morphine or codiene.(mainly)
    That's what can make a taper hard. In your case,just the gf 'liking it' can be a set back to you both.

    I've had several friends detox off the tea. Unfortunately, what worked best for them was CT. You can try a taper...start a log of drinks and times and eliminate 20% over a 2-3 day period. The problem is the seeds may not be consistant..potency.

    Being in Australia...do you have britoflex available(like clonidine in the US)? That will help with the WDs.
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    thank you for your reply jay,
    im sure we have something similar to britoflex but im abit worried about approaching a doctor about it after my last experience with doctors

    i do agree the seeds vary alot dpending on brand and source but we have a regular bulk source that is pretty reliable with strength

    CT is hard because we both cant take time off work because we are both casual-fulltime wich means no sick time or sick pay =
    gf isnt really a problem if i can present a way to be funcional because work keeps us alive like most people xD

    with your friends getting off pst, is there a way to gauge the WD to another similar substance so i know what im in for

    thank you for your time replying =]

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    pst, I think that jdude's advice is prolly the best. The main reason is that when you take the poppy seed or poppy pod tea you are essentially addicting yourself to over ten different types of opioid substances. Some of them don't even have euphoric properties but you'll still have to wd from them. your insomnia prolly stems from the fact that one of those alkaloids is thebaine, which is a stimulating opioid. Even a detox drug like buprenorphine or methadone, wouldn't cover all those bases. I'd get some clonodine, and make a decision with the gf to move on from this for good. This is a really nasty way to do opiates. You are ingesting tons of pesticides and undiluted garbage that is doing a number on your liver and kidneys. If you can get clonodine and maybe a few benzos for the detox, then I'd suggest cold turkey.

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    i belive you are both right, and thebaine is nasty stuff [ sucks when u get the poppys that have been modified to just have thebaine and u get a mass does of it yuck]

    as for the stuff from the docs im really really not sure on how to apporach a gp or do i have to goto a support service for this?

    and do either of you know how harsh and how long the WD's will be
    i know its not gunna be 1 day or anything but would like to be clued in


    cheers

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    I would think going to a GP and asking for the britoflex..or clonidine...would be a start. It sucks being addicted to a substance most don't understand......good news is it's not really illegal.

    When the friends detoxed, the acute phase was like most ..over in a week or so. But the clonidine and trazadone (for sleep) helped out alot.

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    ok well im off to the docs tomorrow [ a differnt one this time &gt;_&gt; ]

    i hoping the transition will not be too harsh,over the last 4 weeks i have lowered my dose to a 1/4 of my normal
    not due to i wanted to but due to the bad season of crops [ i feel like a friggin farmer LOL ]
    i kicked a heavy habbit of methamph so i can do this

    ill try keep this posted hopefully if i get through this could be left as a reminder for others

    because doesnt seem to be alot of information about this out there

    oh and the britoflex is it possible to goto work on this, read some scary stuff about in the other forums

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    Hey pst,

    I see you're up now....not sure what time it is where you live.

    Clonidine can make one groggy but when in acute withdrawal it's a small price to pay for the relief it can give you from the worst symptoms and can actually help to get the sleep that is so difficult when detoxing. I would imagine the same thing applies to britloflex....though this medication doesn't lower your blood pressure as much as clonidine does so there might be less grogginess from it. We don't have this available here so use the clonidine.

    I am hoping you can get one of these medications today from this doctor.

    It is good that you got your dose down to 25% (right?) of your original dose? Are you planning to taper it down even more before you jump off it altogether? I do think you may possibly end up requiring a few days off work (time the jump with the days off) but the good news is that at least you are not dealing with a long-acting opiate and won't have to detox for weeks to months from this. Of course, the bad news is, as glassbottom said, due to the multiple alkaloids in the tea, one up-regulates so many of the different opiate receptors and this usually makes the detox worse than usual.

    I would imagine poppy tea would taste pretty bad. I like poppy seeds on bagels or in cake but I'm thinking in a tea....yuck. How is the taste for you? Pretty bad?

    dee :)

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    hi dee thanks for the reply
    the taste can vary from batch to batch but you get used to it
    im not sure about tapering anymore i may just take what the doctor says [ if it sounds u know ok] hopefully with alittle help from one of the 2 meds and jump straight away because on 25% isnt much its not even a high it just allows me to sleep and avoid the wd's

    i have talked to another friend, accually the friend who showed me and he is now clean of it and he used it for 5+ years as where i have only been on it say 1 1/2 on and off

    he says the first 3 days r tough but can be managed he says its mostly just the joint pain and the insomnia

    he is experienced with other opiates h and so on and says i am lucky i never got stuck into something harder and that afew days of feeling crap and a week of smaller symptoms [ runny nose watery eyes diaehria]
    is well worth it to become clean from this

    one thing i am interested in is the melotonin i belive its the thing that regulates sleep in the brain
    i already have 5-htp and l-tyrosine
    im not sure if its legal like legal legal not quasi legal eg buy it online

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    Here in the US, melatonin is totally legal and sold in drug stores and health food stores. Another non-addictive remedy for sleep is Valerian but it stinks to high heaven. I used to put them in a cup to air out before I took them.

    The clonidine may be adequate for sleep for awhile (or britloflex).

    I agree with your friend....you should detox just as quickly as any other heroin user. The main difference might be the intensity due to the multiple alkaloids in the tea.

    A great detox plan, in my opinion (after being here for 2 years...on this site) would be to have clonidine and darvocet. To me, that would be the perfect formula....and any additional remedies would just make it even better. But those would be the 2 critical comfort meds.

    I am still thinking the taste has to be pretty bad....mainly because when making a cake once that required poppy seed paste in a can, I tasted this and it was quite nauseating when tasting that much poppy taste. I'm also thinking that making this tea must be a real mess...as you would have to strain out all those tiny seeds, right? There was a gal on the methadone forum here that had mentioned this poppy tea, which I'd never heard of before....so I went and googled it and did learn about how they do this from the pods....but did not really realize you could do it from the seeds.

    Have you ever tried to or had to detox for a day or so in the past? And if so, how bad was it?

    dee :)

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    i have detoxed before after doing it anywhere from every 2nd day to everyday for 6 months

    i didnt really have a problem that time i dont even remember feeling that bad just sniffles and aches and abit of insomnia but that only lasted days not weeks,and that time i did it with nothing more than gatorade,food, and lots of ciggys

    about 3 weeks ago i went 3 days without by 3rd day i felt ok still crappy but able to function, i didnt choose to go those 3 days.
    tho i probally could of gone another 2 and been done with it


    and the tea taste really isnt that bad and i have a system of how to strain the tea that is really simple and doesnt create mess
    you also use lemon juice in the tea some say it works as a acid bath for the seeds some say its just for taste

    i find i have no problems eating while detoxing is that normal?
    and that when i eat it eases some of the syptoms and makes sleep easier

    another thing to add is my dose has never become higher even tho my tolerance has become bigger i never up'd to to match my tolerance as i still got the relaxed feeling and nice sleep and warmth
    but not to the extent of what it used to be like before tolerance
    that used to be like dry mouth massive warmth, and nodding in and out of sleep i havent had that for long time

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    I'm trying to think back here....I know I had difficulty eating during the detox off methadone. But off the pain pills, heroin, etc....I cannot really remember, to tell you the truth.

    This is excellent news that you've done this before for a few days and that it was not unbearable. Of course, each subsequent time we detox off opiates, at least for me, the anxiety becomes worse and worse and this is what may be the cause of the feeling that detoxing just gets worse and worse, the more times you do it.

    What is great about the taper is that instead of doing the entire withdrawal hell at the end....you get some of it done during the taper. The more significant the w/d symptoms during the taper drops, the more receptors you are down-regulating and knocking down the total number you'll have to down-regulate after you jump.

    But after the jump....clonidine (and britloflex, I'm sure) can just be so darn helpful....I credit it for helping to get me off methadone. What it does is that it decreases noradrenaline production....and it was discovered that the cause (or the main cause) of withdrawal symptoms is excess production of noradrenaline. They are not totally sure why this occurs but apparently it's the body's reaction from suddenly not getting the opiates needed to fill all the receptors you developed (up-regulated) during active addiction...........so I sure do hope you can get either clonidine or britloflex at this appointment.....be insistent about getting a script for one of these.

    dee:)

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