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    Default 48 hours into withdrawal

    Hello,

    I've been on specially formulate hydrocodone with only 80mg of telenol per capsule for roughly 7 months now. The dose started at 2 10mg hydros 3-4x per day. Within 6 months I was up to 45mg hydro 3x per day, sometimes more. Well, I ran out early due to increasing before getting an increased prescription. I went to the VA hospital on Thursday around noon begging for some hydro to stay off the impending 2 days I would need to wait for my new shipment to come in. The first time I was given 4 Vikes (5/500) which I promptly took within a few hours. Withdrawal set in again at around 5pm so I went back to the VA. This time I was refused any medication. Instead, I was given an appointment with the pain management doctor at the VA for 1pm the next day. He offered me a couple choices:

    1. Go to VA detox which he highly recommended.

    2. He'd hold me over with a small prescription until Saturday morning when my shipment would arrive. Then he'd set up a tapering schedule.

    Well, I chose detox more because I don't want to lose out on my VA benefits and my head told me that I had better get off this stuff now before things get too far out of hand which they are already.

    Detox was a joke. I checked in, was promptly asked to change into their little pj's and rubber soled slippers. I had no underwear, no socks, just a top, a bottom, and the slippers. Into the locked detox facilty I go expecting to get some decent medication to make me sleep through this thing but they gave me nothing but a little clonodine, something that begins with an s, and some benedryl. Useless! My bed was awful and the room was freezing. That's probably because I haven't eaten a whole lot these past few days. Finally, disturbed at what I thought was an unintentional lie by the pain management doctor regarding how I would be treated at the detox center, I told them I was going home. My wife picked me up and I came home to my nice comfortable bed in which I promptly drenched two sweatsuits with sweat within around 4 hours. But I did get some sleep.

    Anyway, today the diarrhea / liver flushing began. So did the pretty intense waves of sick feelings along with the nausea, stomach pain, hot pins and needles, a feeling of tightness all over, you folks know the rest, I'm sure.

    My shipment of meds promptly arrived this morning. my wife signed for them and hid them well enough for me not to be able to find. As it stands, if I demanded them, she'd give them to me. However, my head and my heart says it's time to get done with this stuff, at least taking it everyday like I have been, and get on with life even if it does give me lots of orthopedic pain in my back and knees. Also, if I screw up, the VA is going to essentially say goodbye to me and that's my only source of healthcare which I get for free due to a 50% disability rating. So I haven't asked her for the box although there have been several occasions today that I felt like my own will power, which is pretty strong, was put to the test.

    OK, I'm 48 hours into this. I forget how much longer the worst will last? Isn't it normally 72 hours with generally a few weeks afterwards of a nasty withdrawal wave every now and then, diminishing more and more with each passing day? It would be nice to have a target to shoot for, if you know what I mean. I mean, if I had to deal with what I dealt with today for a month, I don't think I'd do it. I'd try tapering instead.

    Your comments are appreciated. Thanks!

    Michael

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    Michael-
    Nice job so far, you sound very motivated! Couple things come to mind: 1) read many of the posts that discuss "comfort meds" to help you get thru the toughest withdrawl period. Yes, I believe that 72 hours is the peak worst of it, which means you'll likely feel yucky tomorrow, and then begin to feel better.
    I strongly urge you to dump your stash; IMO, knowing it's close at hand could totally derail your recovery efforts. I know the Mrs. has it, but we both know that if you want to get your hands on it, you will. Could your doc script you some clonodine? It's a blood-pressure med with a very popular off-label application of relieving wd symptoms. I had it thru the numerous detoxes I went thru.
    You mentioned something about maybe using, but not every day like you have been? Possible, but doubtful.
    OK, the "target" to shoot for? I'm thinking that by Monday, you'll be on the downhill slide. Could be a whole lot worse; could be bupe or methadone that you're coming off of, in which case you'd be looking at weeks of misery, not days.
    Whatever you do, don't use. Stick around here, ask lots of questions, and everything will work out for you. Good luck, and congrats on the huge step, for yourself, and for those who love you...Mic

    P.S.- By the way, it's often slow on the weekends, so try to be patient, and you'll get lots of help!

    "It takes what it takes"

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    I think you are doing the right thing.I would think you will start to feel good in about a week.The longer you stay on the harder it gets.7 months is not to bad,not to much damage to your opiat reseptors.It will feel good to get your stomach back.I would not sugest trying to use thees pills on ocasion.If you get out now consiter yourself lucky.If you went through boot camp you can kick this.It will not be so easy the next time though.

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    Thanks for the replies. Feeling real lousy again. It's just after 10pm est. Took some Nyquil as I thought that would help me sleep. Useless. Really sweating. Forgot to say that for one year before I got onto the higher amounts of hydrocodone special compound with the low acetaminophen from the private pain clinic, I had used Vicodin on a monthly basis. I was prescribed 60 per month. I noticed I would use them up pretty quick and would go through withdrawal although not as bad as this. I just forget how long it took for it to end. Anyway, it seems like it will be another long restless night. Thanks again for the responses.

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    Michael
    I didn't see any post from you today. Truly hope you are still kickin it. Listening to the folks on this and similar forums is the best thing you can do. The support of knowing you are not alone that these people care and will help is a great help.

    I too have had some similar experiance with the VA. But you do need to protect your benefits.

    I am over day 7 today of detox from 18 mo. of 50mgc of fentanyl. I am doing it cold and feeling a bit better day by day. The w/d seems to fade then pick with no clues as to why. I know very little about abuse and don't know if or how my w/d symptoms and duration compare to yours or other w/d from other drugs. I do know that it's not been easy but I AM doin it.

    Like I said I hope you are still fighten it, from anything I read quitting later only makes it worse. I still have to find a way to deal with chronic pain but I will do that too.
    Let us know how you're doing.

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    Dave, I just saw your note on the other thread. Congrats to you to for taking the bull by the horns.

    I've tried to find some sort of rhyme and reason about withdrawal to try and nail it down so I know what to expect. Of course, after this is over, I should write my own experience so others can know what's coming. I found an interesting webpage about Vicodin which some may want to read:

    http://uk.geocities.com/brown_addict/vicodin.htm

    Regarding withdrawal, the writer states:

    "It takes about 5-7 days to shake a vicodin habit as opposed to the intense 2-3 days of turkeying off gear. The cycle of vicodin withdrawal usually follows a pattern of exhaustion, followed by mental depression, and sometimes ending with a cold, as the drug is antitussive by nature. Another disconcerting side effect of vicodin is on hearing. It can muffle everything with heavy use and the userís voice will be unknowingly loud. During withdrawn noises will feel exaggerated."

    So he is saying that withdrawal from Vicodin takes longer than withdrawal from heroin (gear). I remember I read about a minister, David Wilkerson, in New York City who helped heroin addicts get clean by putting them through cold turkey withdrawals which took 3 days. I find it ironic that a so called "prescription" drug takes even more time to withdraw from. Is hydrocodone actually worse than heroin?


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    worse than heroin? nope, just different. the wd from h can be shorter, but more intense with varying symptoms and degrees.

    usually youll find that the longer the half life, the longer the wd symptoms (and vice versa). thats why methadone and bup wd seem to go on and on (37 hr half life).

    opiod wd is like snowflakes: no two are precisely the same.


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    How's it going Michael? You're at 7 days clean now right? Starting to feel better?

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    quote:Originally posted by Sojourner

    How's it going Michael? You're at 7 days clean now right? Starting to feel better?
    7 days completed at 6pm tonight. Actually, I'm feeling as bad as at the start. Last night was the worst. I'm wondering, does it so happen that one goes through a real hard time and then suddenly it gets better? I really need some hope right now. I feel like quite the wimp at this point.

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    Everyone is different. It will get better. I hope it's soon. Have you tried using any of the OTC support meds discussed around this forum? Immodium, L-Tyrosine, SAMe? There's quite a few things that can help.

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    NO, I haven't really tried anything. I did break down and took 2 Imodium AD that I found in the bathroom closet. Can't say I noticed much except that there's been no runs since I took them. Right now I just generally feel sick, slight headache and nausea, small amount of pins and needles and hot feeling, and plainly fed up of all this. OK, so everyone is different. Is there a range? I mean, can it be narrowed down to 4 days is a best case scenario and 14 days is a worst case scenario for withdrawal to end?



    quote:Originally posted by Sojourner

    Everyone is different. It will get better. I hope it's soon. Have you tried using any of the OTC support meds discussed around this forum? Immodium, L-Tyrosine, SAMe? There's quite a few things that can help.

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    Hi Micheal,

    Please hang in there. I am a heroin addict so I have no experience with Vicodin w/d. It cant be MUCH longer!

    Hey some of you Vicodin addicts.....will you please give Michael some idea of timelines and what to expect? Thanks.

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