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    Default Vit C and sodium ascorbate as cure for addiction

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB5TsbtchT4
    We have developed a non-toxic, detoxification procedure where we can take the addicts off heroin or methadone with no withdrawal symptoms. The addicts have no desire to return to the drug and if they do take a 'fix', it is like injecting plain water, the detoxification is so complete and rapid...Methadone is far worse on the body, from a metabolic point of view, than is heroin...It is unconscionable to me to put a person on methadone maintenance with no way to get them off." --Dr. Archie Kalokerinos A.M.M., M.B.B.S., Ph.D., F.A.P.M.

    The-Hypoascorbemia-Kwashiorkor Approach to Drug Addiction Therapy: A
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    This has been about for years now, i first saw it like 3 or 4 years ago.
    Surely if it really worked wouldnt our government be utilizing it as a cheap effective treatment method???
    Im sure it helps detox, but so does a good back rub.

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    Hi,
    the vitamin c therapy rears its ugly head.So it goes like this the heroin addict is vit c deplete and ascorbate blocks the receptor.So you pump in loads and it cures them all under the banner of orthomolecular med and trying to find a condition you can use vit c for uther than vit c deficeiency.

    I regret to inform that in the single trial of this method it just caused a lot of diarrhoea.I had a punter who was adamnat he wanted to give it a go.We made a bargain ie 24hrs and see what happens he got 75gm over the morning then 75gm in the afternoon during which he developed unstoppable diarrhoea whilst going cold turkey and craving +++.Now trying to be scientific we had placed bets on it no being serious being scientific our null hypothesis was that the treatment was no better than cold turkey and indeed it appeared to be.

    I'm still not quite sure what orthomolecular actually means.Well of course it means chemicals that naturally occur in the human body and using them to fix illness.Do you really need 13 years of vit c as per the youtube man every day? That is the law of mass effect gone wrong.Radiolabel your ascorbate and i can tell you where it ends up...in the can.We has the bloke above on a fluid balance chart ie all fluids that go in and out are accounted for as we expected he'd be very dehydrated.He was in net loss of c 2kg.Interesting we did a ketostix test on his diarrhoea( we are anything but lazy here).We did it by doing 1000x dilutions(sounds a bit homeopathic) and they tested +ve as did the 10,000x ie masses ov vit c in the diarrhoea.

    You are welcome to give vit c a go.Make sure you have lots of toilet paper and vaseline(you can guess).They use 500gms in the excel iv protocol.Sr sanders wont admit as to what hitt puts in his cocktail but i would be surprised if there were no vit c.I guess if vit c were so good then we wouldn't be wasting time here with meth.There is always a financial imperative and the vit c work predated meth so that is somewhat scotched.

    Let me know what you think
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    PS Oh yes the youtube doc was talking about high dose vit c getting rid of hep a.Hep a is a self-limiting virus infection ie it goes away itself.Fairly clueless example of naturopathic shamanism.

    Anyone fancy giving it a go? Let me know you will need c 50-100gm vit c a day.

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    "cure" for addiction? just the premise is wrong to me....

    sure, it may curb the physical craving and dependancy....but does nothing to cure the internal condition of addiction.

    I have had various bouts of abstinence...sometimes years. but, invariably went back....and obviously had nothing to do with a physical dependancy on the drug...and everything to do with the mental obsession. The obsession that the drugs would again "fix" me...that opiates would serve as a solution to my problems.

    What needed to be fixed was not my receptors...but me.

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    Hi sluggo,
    i think everyone should read what you just wrote especially the peddlers of snake oil etc.

    M'camera

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    manray - quick and efficient with the facts as usual. for some damned reason i found an old old thread here that told the promise of this method and like playing the fool i tried it. this was in early april of this year. i took the extraordinary amounts of ascorbic recommended and got the results manray alluded to ... namely sitting with the porcelain gods for days. no reduction in my desire to use. no reduction in withdrawals. i did manage to get severely dehydrated and lost a quick ten pounds. sluggo gets to the heart of the matter as well. maybe it was helpful because soon afterward i got into a proper treatment program and have been clean ever since.

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    Surely if it really worked wouldnt our government be utilizing it as a cheap effective treatment method???

    No they wouldn't.....Methadone is profit....huge profit for the government. Just like Cancer treatments for pharmaceutical companies....billions made treating cancer. Google Vitamin B17, you'll see what I mean.

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    Default Re: Vit C and sodium ascorbate as cure for addiction

    I supposed you used Intravenous Sodium Ascorbate, as they did in the study? Of course not. I'll bet you didn't even read the study, so of course you didn't know they used IV Vitamin C. . .So you didn't follow protocol, then you proclaim if a failure. Not to mention you had diarrhea, so you used too much, which means you don't understand bowel tolerance.

    Try doing it correctly, then let us know how it worked. Geez. Don't you love people who claim something's a failure, and they didn't even follow directions, lol. The only way is too use IV, or Liposomal Vitamin C.

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    Well said. . .This is why they don't use IV Vitamin C for other medical issues in hospitals. IV C knocks out septicity, a new study found. It works for just about all toxins, infections, shock, organ failure ect. But it's CHEAP, therefore DR's and hospitals can't make huge profits from it, so they don't use it. . .This is a crime in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Vit C and sodium ascorbate as cure for addiction

    "Well said?" Are you actually complimenting your own post? Mega-dosing of Vitamin C has been floating around for over 100 years, proposed for the solution of all sorts of ailments. There's plenty of medical professionals who think it's a bunch of nonsense, based upon the placebo effect. If you want to do it, that's your business. But on this board, people are allowed to have their own opinions, especially senior members with more than 2 posts.

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