Hi everyone,

Is there any way to fool a urine test? This is using what you know is their urine (not them using someone elses). His pupils are pins. They do not change. In the past it was always opiates. I gave him 2 urine tests today (1 in AM and 1 in evening) and he passed. The 2nd one actually tested for 6 drugs. He swears up and down that he is not on anything. He relapsed last week. According to him his last day taking anything was last Fri.
So I am a mess because I don't believe him. But I actually watched him pee in the cup. How can he pass it if he has taken anything?
Are there any tricks or anything?
also, he volunteers to take any test I can get. He say he will take it whenever I want him to. He says he will run out and buy one if I want him to.
He took 10 rocacets last week. He took a suboxone on Sunday. I have seen him with normal pupils. His pupils have looked like this for a couple of days, esp yesterday and today. I looked up causes of pinned pupils and there are like 3 main causes- 1 is opiates of course and 2- some thing on the brain stem or something and 3- exposure to nerve gas/ pesticides. So what could it be? I am just going crazy- as usual. How could he possibly be passing the test if he is on something? Maybe he is taking sub again- which I would not freak out about if that were the case.
The other thing is that if he were using I don't know where he would be getting the money from. His credit cards are maxed and I check the bank accounts all the time.
So anyways, just wondering what you guys think.

P.S. I just checked them after he woke up and they are still pinned. Meaning if he is using he had not taken anything since yesterday. How long can you go w/out pills for your pupils to change?
Thanks

Well I was thinking someone with some expertise would answer you, but I guess everyone is tied up....If he handed the specimen to you and it was WARM, I dont know how he could mess with it. I dont think that most drug tests test for methadone or suboxone, you'd have to read the label to know specifically what that test will look for. When my gut says something is wrong, it usually is. Trust your gut and I hope someone else chimes in with more info for you. hugs

Hi teddyb,
Thanks for the reply. Well I am feeling much better now. Today I gave him another test, watched him pee in the cup again. No doubt that it was his own urine. The test was negative. So I am relieved. I am testing him every 5 days now. Its sort of sad, but its the only way I really know the truth. Hopefully there will be a day when I can trust that he is sober. But at least for now he is

Most "home" drug screen tests are not very accurate from what I've seen. If you really need to be sure, he should go to an occupational therapy type facility, and have the standard panel done. Pinned pupils is normally not a very good sign of being clean.

All the best,

Kenny

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Shanty, it may be sad that you have to test him, but he has destroyed your trust in him. Trust is based on fact and you need to see the fact that he is clean. As Kenny says, I have heard that the home drug tests arent real accurate, but if its all you got and you know what it is specifically testing for, i guess its better than nothing. Yeah, the pinned pupils dont sound good.. hugs

Well, I purchased the xalex brand off the internet, which is a well known brand name of tests. Its the same kind they use at sober houses and rehabs. When he relapsed last week it showed positive , that is how I knew he relapsed. Any time I have used them in the past they have been accurate. And I have given him 4 of them- they can't all be wrong can they? His pupils come and go with the pinned look.
I just can't handle all the stress right now. I just got a new job- wayyyyyy overwhelmed with that. We are broke, may lose our house, etc... AND I have to worry about my husband using. I am going to have a nervous breakdown I swear.

I just want you to know you've been heard and I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. You have obviously done all that you can do, I wish I could do more to help you. Hope its something to know that others care.

I just had a quick read of your pst . I dont feel really comfortable telling you how to do this , but if the urine sample has not yet been done , Urual is the thing he should take to flush it out of his system . Plenty of urual and water.


Healing is not the same as curing .
Healing does not take us back to what was before , rather , healing brings us closer to our true self .

It could be spelt Ural, yes Ural . It is in a green box in Auistralia . I dont know what it may look like in the States but it is sachets of powder , when added to water it goes fizzy and is sold for burning of the urine when you are trying to pass water .

Pammie

someone may have already said this
home drug screens will not test for suboxone or methadone, i passed drug test for years on methadone, even when i was using pot and herion i would pass the text by drinking something called ready clean
my husband kept passing drug test from cvs but he always looked high, i took him to the er and he tested positive for methadone
thats how i found out
once i proved he was on drugs it was easier to kick him out, he went to rehab and has been clean for a while, but i realized after this trip to the er that i did not cause his addiction, and i certainly cannot cure it,

I think he was on methadone. I knew he relapsed a few weeks ago, but just found out that he actually went to the Dr to get the pills. He got a script for oxycodone and methadone. So now he is out of pills. He is talking like I am brainwashed about the whole addict thing- meaning he is so foolish that he is actually believing that it is okay for him to take pills "in moderation". Makes me so angry- he was once big into the program and I was so proud of him when he was and was taking sobriety seriously. Now the drugs have his brain and heart once again. He thinks that as long as he is functioning as isn't wasted or anything its okay. He says he is not going to Dr shop and will only go to the Dr once a month, all legal, etc.. He is always turning it to me with "I don't see how it affects you", its so annoying that he is thinking like this again. I am SO SICK of this game- I just want it to be over- either stay sober or I need to move on. I don't think that he will stay sober- it seems that I am always just waiting for the next relapse. At this point when someone is using more than they are sober- I guess it wouldn't even be called a relapse would it?
He says "I'm going to be back on track- I'm just having a little fun" and he is always bringing up how he has taken care of me- meaning I have been a stay at home mom for 6 yrs- and that he doesn't see how its that big of a deal, blah blah. We are going to have to stay in the same house for a while even if I decide we can't be together- so I don't know how to move on when I will see him everyday. God I hate drugs. I hate how much they destroy- people, families, finances, I could do on and on....

Hey Shanty, you know his BS. Addicts project their own fears on to you, but you know the act now and you can see through it. Its not fun, if its affecting your family, your job, your money situation its addiction, not fun!!! I hate drug use, as well. Its a clouded attempt at self medicating, at silencing the inner voice, at distancing yourself from life and it fails everyone who tries it. After so many failures, many addicts decide they must try something else. If your husband doesnt do that, you have a choice to make. I know your life isnt easy, but is staying with a addict helping you? Im sorry you are in this position, you know you are in my heart! hugs

Hi guys,
Just thought I would give an update. My husband and I have seperated. He has gotten his own apartment. I can longer handle being with him when he is using. I have reached that point that everyone told me I would eventually reach. I was really sad about it as he was packing his things and taking down pictures, etc.. while he was moving. I was very torn... But I have been doing a lot of praying and I know that God is helping me. I can feel him giving me strength. I know that this is the right thing. So many broken promises. So many times I have heard "I will NEVER take pills again", so many lies. NO ONE believes him anymore. Not his family, not my family, not me. He stopped taking them 2 days ago (starting to detox)and says the same crap I've heard a million timess before... "I want my family, I love you guys, I am going to get clean, I will do whatever it takes to get my family back", blah blah blah. I know that if he isn't doing it because he wants it for himself it will never last. Every other time he does it for us he goes back to it.
Thank God I have wonderful family and friends that are helping me. I have a lot to worry about, as I have for years now, but its more stressful than ever, but i know millions of people are going through hard times just like me. I will get through it.

good!

hope you can keep your distance-for your sake
when you are no longer emotionally tied,at least on a daily, hourly basis, he's actions will become less and less important in your life.

This probably won't be easy.
It WILL be one of the, if not THE healthiest thing you can do for yourself. Your hubby just might benefit from it, too. That might take some time and don't be surprised if things get worse before they get better, this often happens. I know from my own experience.
Whatever does happen-this is about YOUR survival, OK?

r

"'Happiness' is something you decide on
ahead of time."

"when the pain of staying the same
is greater than the pain of change
we change".

Yes, there are plenty of ways to beat a home drug screen. And some home drug screens do test for suboxone and methadone, they are just much more expensive and most CVS type stores do not carry them.

It is very possible that even though he is peeing in front of you, that he is taking something to mask the urine.

U want answers, demand a test at the hospital or to a professional drug screening business. Have them test the creatine levels in his urine as well to check for masking agents (which im sure they do anyways)

good luck,
Tom