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    Default Rehab to detox you from Sub and Methadone...

    Mission Statement from Mark Houston Recovery regarding 'opiate replacement therapies'....

    "Mark Houston Recovery strongly recommends against the use of Suboxone or Methadone. These drugs have been shown to be highly addictive and, at best, a replacement for opiates. Recovering from addiction is something that must be felt, and it’s going to hurt. No pain, no gain, no growth. In our opinion, Suboxone or Methadone use is extremely detrimental to the recovery process and that means that, in order to enhance your chances for recovery you MUST STOP USING Suboxone and Methadone. Utilizing these drugs or other prescription medications that numb the senses may rob the person of the ability to experience recovery, which is how we recover.

    Mark Houston Recovery will admit individuals who are currently taking these medications, however, we will, if medically indicated encourage your treating psychiatrist to immediately begin the fastest taper-off of these medications that is medically safe. If you are unable for medical reasons to discontinue these medications you should not enroll in our program. If you are unable to discontinue these medications within three weeks of admission we will ask you to leave the program as we feel that for you to continue in the program while still using either Suboxone or Methadone would be a waste of both of our time, energy, and your money. Using a band-aid to treat a gunshot wound simply isn’t going to work. Pharmaceutical companies pay for the research of their new drugs, meaning they pay for the research that they say ‘proves’ that these drugs are a good idea. We respectfully disagree. Our real world experience tells us that we can do a better job to help you if you are not on these type drugs. In our opinion, drug addicts need to stop using drugs such as Suboxone and Methadone and focus on the pursuit of a course of action that will allow them to live a clean and sober life of abundance.

    Mark Houston Recovery does not provide medical advice or medical treatment. Accordingly, you should consult your own medical doctor or other practitioner for medical advice regarding your condition and its treatment."

    (on a personal note: Mark Houston was my grand-sponsor. I know his recovery and his message well and can therefore recommend them from experience....) Mark Houston passed away about 2 years ago. He was relentless in his journey to share the solution of recovery around the world.
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    Default Re: Rehab to detox you from Sub and Methadone...

    Personally I had to Cold Turkey it myself for my final countdown, I had suboxone and kratom, and an "arsenal of comfort meds" as trigger called it, on hand, but eventually just gave it away to my friend. I just had to suck it up and deal with the pain, to remember why I never wanted to go back there, and feel that way again. Then the incredibly hard part of really really forcing myself to accept the fact I was done taking drugs. Good times... NOT haha.

    However on many detoxes before my final one I used suboxone, and it can be an absolute miracle for SHORT-TERM DETOX, and you have to get sober before you can stay that sober, some people are just to afraid to go CT and wont even try. I also know of one of the most successful recovery stories I've heard, involved someone slowly detoxing of methadone very slowly everyday for 6 months, 20 years later they are still happy and healthy.

    Maintenance, is an entirely different discussion. The Harm reduction argument makes sense to me, if it helps lower crime, and can get people back on their feet, for a while, just long enough to provide a bit of stability, that us junkies tend to not have, basically just to try to start to piece their lives back together. I support that option being there. Unfortunately most people, are just looking for a legalized dope replacement, and don't want to stop getting high. There still junkies in my oppinion. Gov't sponsored Junkies.

    I think EDUCATION is the real key here, people need to know the long term effects, and understand the incredibly long half life, and the brutal addiction that is continuing to be fed, making it in all honesty stronger. Oh and the fact that the WDs are far worse than whatever they are trying to get off in the first place. Of course addicts will be addicts, but I blame the doctors here too. I hear of people getting scripted 24 Mg's of sub a day, that's is just insanely uninformed and irresponsible, dangerous and stupid, but these silly docs truly believe they are helping. I don't think the DOCTORS know enough about these drugs, themselves, and that's the problem. just to stress it again EDUCATION!!!

    Summary: Detox - potential godsend. ~~~~~~~~~~ maintenance - potential devil in disguise.

    Just my 2 cents.

    P.S. Hey Janice long time no talk! What, I get sober and you stop sending me messages!? haha just kidding, its probably my fault. Anyway I hope you and your family are doing wonderful, and you are continuing to live the happy beautiful life, you have worked so hard to earn. You are one of the rare advice giving kind people, that live by example,
    Power of example my momma said it and I heard, she said one ounce of action beats a ton of words.
    You don't just talk the talk, and ever since the first time you called me when I was a sweaty, shaky, and a sick mess, I've had tremendous respect for you.

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    Default Re: Rehab to detox you from Sub and Methadone...

    The use of Suboxone or Methadone to detox one from a short acting opiate is not necessarily a bad thing. The use of Suboxone or Methadone for an extended period of time will definitely create a dependence on the drug. I have found a 7-10 day taper of Suboxone is reasonable and effective. Attention should be paid to leaving the client opiate free. That is, once you give the last tapering dose of Suboxone, the client should be observed for 24 to 48 hours to see if there is a rebound craving and a need to self medicate. The use of Clonidine post acute detox for a couple days is a good idea (watch the dizziness and BP).
    The use of Methadone for detox is technically only allowed in inpatient settings. I don't use it when I am assisting an opiate medical detox in the home. Bill, Executive Home Detox

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    Default Re: Rehab to detox you from Sub and Methadone...

    Look into The Waismann will change your life as it did mine. I have tried tapering.........I am not saying it can't be done but I could not do it nor could anyone I spoke with who has tried.

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