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    JamesB is offline Junior Member
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    Default Switch from OXY to MS Contin.......

    My new specialist took my OXY pills away yesterday, I was on 3 5mg pills 4 times a day and was riding the roller coaster of highs and lows and was waking up sick every morning until the Oxy kicked in.
    My new Doc said that the MS Contin will eliminate the morning sickness and stabilize me.
    Well I woke up this morning feeling a little groggy but much better than the Oxy's!!!
    I am being prescribed 3 pills a day 100mg each slow release MS Contin and the Doc said once I am stabilized then I can start to taper!
    Has anyone else been given this approach to the OXY problem?
    My new Specialist also detected a heart valve wheezing to add to my heart murmur.
    The Doc also took away my Zopliclone and told me to stay on the .5 mg of Valium four times a day.
    I am also taking Seroquol 2 pills at night.
    It was great to wake up without that morning withdrawels and I am looking forward to tapering off the MS Contin...I WANT MY LIFE BACK!

    JB

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    On 300mg a day of MS and Seroquel all I can say is I hope you arent getting on the roads driving. I dont see how you even typed that post without nodding :)

    And yes, if you were abusing or lets say undisciplined in your OXY use, ie. spiking doses, running out early, etc, some docs are switching to the new ER drugs like Avinza and MS Contin to stabilize your blood levels of MS. The time release mechanism is getting harder and harder to break so the abuse potential goes down greatly with these drugs. Once they get your blood levels stable, they can taper you down more safely with less side effects and WD's, in theory.

    In reality, most find a way to abuse the MS Contin and Avinza one way or another and it defeats the whole purpose.

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    Hi James I wrote you a long winded post and blammo off into internet pergatory I assume. ;)

    So here's the deal . Or a summation of my long-windedness(is that a word? ). I am trying really hard here to figure out why a doctor would prescribe that high a dose of ms-contin. I have taken and detoxed myself off both and will share my experience. First off 60 mg oxy as compared to 300 MG ms-contin is insanity. Can I ask you this? Are you getting high off it. I would think you would have to at that high a dose.The most ms I was on was 160 a day and mine was NOT prescribed and I didn't even get high though cause I had abused so many oxys percs whatever so my system was on auto-pilot. But I did however get pulled over one day and the cop definately noticed something was fishy with me. :O I got off but it wasn't easy.scared me ohhhh did it scare me as I am fortunate enough to have never been arrested or even been in trouble before.

    Now with all the meds in your body aren't you high as a kite. benzos aren't my thing I liked to be awake. 1 benzo and you'd find me snoozin in 20minutes after I took it. WOW just seems like a huge increase.

    I am glad you wrote here. Get on the net and research like mad. You probably could find a dosing equivalent chart comparing oxys to msand find a more adequate dose. Ask anyone you knowin the medicalfield. I'lltellyou this.I intern in hospitals.so see a lot of medical stuff and etc. Also my husband has had 3open heart surgeries, spleenectomy, 4 pulmonary embolism obliteration procedures,emergency strangulated hernia surgery,and hundreds of painful procedures due to the fact he is on theliver transplant list and waiting as I type.He has NEVER EVER EVER been given any kind of dose that resembles yours even after he got out of the hospital after surgery.I have a huge love/hate relationship with the medical community.Love my husbands main dr.'s but every time he goes into the hospital I can't find it in my heart toleave him alone as many mistakes(99% of time from arrogant residents I find the attendings are such good listeners and love to answer?'s) have almost been done to him.I had to educate myself over the years so I can advocate for him.Believe me last july he had encephalopathy which led him to being in a full stone cold coma for a week.These dr.'s are ordering pain meds into his iv, a sleeping man who wasn't awake no winces of pain nothing just a sleeping expression on his face and the reason why he was there was due to high high ammonia levels that go to your brain and put you in a coma and the only way to get out of it is to go #2 lots. its weird the ammonia builds up in your body and if not released goes tothe brain causing weird beh then coma.Now I know pain meds are constipating.(didn't tell em how Iknew) But freaked out when Ifound they had given this sleeping NON-complaining man meds that will constipate him and make it worse.UGG.There I went again argued with em called hisliver doc who was so furious this sweetest gentle man he walked from his office to the hospital just to give these folks a tongue-lashing on my behalf.;)I wanted them to hook me up instead of him but man they declined.LOLif I hadn't been there a few times there would have been some deadly if not critical mistakes.Usually its a med mistake.Giving him something that is toxic to his liver or too much of a certain med.Do your research really take the time to get a really good idea of what you are getting yourself into at 300 mg a day.

    Lastly I found that when detoxing off oxys and detoxing off ms-contin I had a MUCH easier time with the oxys(no cake walk mind you but way better) the contin is brutal at least 4me to come off of.Kinda made me wanna jump outta myown skin. Goodluck((HUGS)) steff

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    Steffaroni,
    Actually 60mg of Oxy comapred to 300mg of MS Contin (taken orally) is more equal in effect than it appears. Morphine is one of the least effective opiates to take orally as its bioavailability orally is very poor. I beleive you actually only absorb about 30% of Morphine taken orally. Its simiar to heroin in this way, and its why you wont ever see an addict eating heroin, its a huge waste. He is actually only getting about 90mg of that 300mg of MS. Im sure you can do some reading on the net to find more about it. The reasoning behind the doctor giving him the 300mg extended release MS is to stabilize his blood levels and get him on a shorter acting opiate, so he can begin a safe and more comfortable taper. Again, for this to work, the patient must take the Ms Contin as prescribed.

    Regarding withdralws, MS withdrawls are generally more intense and come on much faster due to the extrememly short half life of morphine, but Oxy withdrawls are well known to last MUCH longer, some say as long as 20 days, whereas with MS you generally feel better around day 5-6 in my experience.

    This is my two cents and Ive used more Oxy and Morphine than I care to tell......and yes this approach does work if you dont find ways to abuse the MS Contin or take more than you are supposed to.

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    really? wow learn something new everyday.:)

    i had such a hard time with the ms detoxing off it. OUCH...well thanks for opening my eyes. They are very tired today..hee hee.. :)

    ((HUGS)) steff

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    I hear ya Steff. Im not terribly proud of having that knowledge as Im not in the med profession. It was gained while researching how to get as high as possible from my MS pills. Regardless though, the MS withdrawls are terrible. You are dead on about that. They are all terrible really.

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    Oh Boy I know its going to be a rough ride ahead.......I wonder if morphine is worse than Oxy to get off?
    Just thinking about is scaring me half to death.
    At least I am alot more stable feeling now after the switch, the ups and downs were wearing me out on the Oxy, I can't wait to get off all these pills arrrgghhhh....
    I went to my second NA meeting tonite and it was a much larger noisier crowd.
    Lo and behold I know two people there.
    Another good experience with NA, I have a third one to attend tomorrow nite as there is three different groups with some crossover in town.

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    You are on the right track James. Those meetings are HUGE for you to be successful. Plus it shows you really mean business about quitting this stuff. Dont stress over which is worse. Just stay focused on your overall goal which is to be clean. Its probably not going to be nearly as bad as you have in your mind it will be. If you can handle a bad cold or flu you can handle this.

    One question for you James. I havent read your entire story if there is one. Are you an addict or are have you just become chemically dependant on your pain meds? There is a difference and I was just curious where you think you fall. I am no doubt whatsoever an addict myself, but there are millions of people who use pain meds as prescribed who get chemically dependant who arent addicts. And then there are plenty where that line is blurry and they arent quite sure yet. :)

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    yes I know what you are going through. 300 mgs of ms contin is alot. Depending on how much oxy contin you were on. Does your doctor have a paln for you to taper? Its going to take time to get off of ms contin. I was on 90 mgs and I am stuck at the lowest dose which is 15mgs. Now I cannot quit. the withdrawls are so hard on me. Hang in there for a wild and crazy ride and try to take less but I am sure tou are taking 3 100mg tablets. Those you cannot break in half. Ask your doctor if you can get 5 60mg tablets so at least you can taper easier if you want. you can take 1 less pill maybe every week or two. Be careful.

    Linda

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    sorry but I also take 600 mgs of seroquel a day too and 3mgs of klonipin and some xanax and restoril and have no effect on me. Just wanted to let you all know that i can drive the only thing I cannot do is sleep.

    Linda

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    Hello,

    Seroquel. I used to take that for sleep (small dose of 30 - 40 mg.). I found that it made extremely irritable the next day. Switched to Elavil (amytripaline), which works better for me for sleep and helps a bit with the pain. It is also a BEAR to get off, and must be tapered. I just got off daily use of Elavil 25 mg. and now 10 mg will knock me out if I need it, which I usually don't.

    I do know that my ex-husband abused Seroquel and Elavil. He would drink alcohol with it and went into blackouts. Then cold-turkey and turn into a rage monster. Be careful with these seemingly innocuous drugs that doctors prescribe like candy because they aren't monitered by the DEA as opiates are.

    Just a head's up.


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