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    Antwan is offline Member
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    Default Do opiates fry your brain?

    Can they make somebody more dumb? I mean, I know they make you sluggish while you're on them and so forth, but do they actually make you stupid?

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    quote:Originally posted by Antwan

    Can they make somebody more dumb? I mean, I know they make you sluggish while you're on them and so forth, but do they actually make you stupid?
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    Hey, I took opes for a while- 5 yrs in fact. Now I've been clean off the opes for over a year and clean from the Methadone for almost 6 months. I'm not any stupider that I used to be! LOL. No, seriously, I did not notice I was anymore, 'dumber' as you put it- I AM SMARTER, though.
    I love your sig.- 'Only God can judge us'. Wish everyone believed that.


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    quote:Originally posted by Antwan

    Can they make somebody more dumb? I mean, I know they make you sluggish while you're on them and so forth, but do they actually make you stupid?
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    If you're talking about a drop in actual IQ....IMHO..NO.

    Can opioids make someone dumb? YUP! We make DUMB CHOICES when we're using...STUPID choices. Best, Ar

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    DUUUHHHH.....ER....UM...I think so......DUH.

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    Perhaps I should clarify my first response.

    I believe that while we are actively using....yes the brain is "fried". The longer the use....the more the inapacity for mental acuity.

    Would I want to take an IQ test while ON Methadone? NOPE.

    However....when C&S, it is my personal belief that the original IQ level (pre-using state) returns...particularly the longer one hangs on.

    No question that long-term alcoholism ("wet brain syndrome") is usually NOT reversible.

    Give your brain a chance. C&S, opioid-caused "stupidity" is reversible...IMHO. Best, Ar

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    I know what my pre-opiate I.Q. was. After using methadone for many years, I took another Stanford/Binet I.Q. test. I had not lost any intelligence as measured by that test. However, I really agree with Arlene, I have definitely made some bad decisions, lost memory and slept so much it didn't matter how smart I was.
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    Hey Antwan,

    While I am not a physician, nor any sort of neurological authority, I have a smidgen (but just a smidgen!) of medical knowledge re: the question of whether opiates (other dope, I ain't so sure?) make a person "more dumb". Well, of course...when one is loaded (filled-to-the-brim) with narcotics, one is, via simple biology, just NOT functioning as (intellectually) well as one would normally function.

    But, of course, that wasn't your question. Do they "actually make you stupid", once the dope clears your brain circuitry? Tho it's not quite this simple, the easiest, simpliest, answer is...no.

    Now (and we must never forget this) the insanity of EVERYTHING else that's a part of our opiate addiction certainly does cause us to do DUMB, really DUMB, things. Oh, the choices we make when we're in the clutches of demon-dope! We lose our families, we lose our jobs, we lose our dignity---and, maybe worse of all, we lose our souls. The loss of our lives is, indeed, never far behind.

    There is, however, LOTS of other stuff they CAN and DOES make one dumb 'n dumber...and it ain't all dope. It, sometimes, comes in Aerosol Cans, Anti-Perspirants, Insecticides and, among lots of other stuff, our freaking foodstuffs! While I don't mean to come off as some kinda eco-freak, there is plenty of non-drug stuff that can kill us.

    However, some (much?) of the time, we have little control of those lifestyle substances that find their way into our bodies and, aside from the physical harm they cause, they also cause, in some cases, a definite loss, or degradation, of intellectual ability.

    Yet, we DO have, without question, COMPLETE control over the ingestation of dope. We may not have much to say (arguable?) about global pollution, and its effects, but, man, we DO NOT HAVE TO DO DOPE.

    So, does dope make you dumber...NOT if you don't use it.

    Sorry. I'd jump off my bloody pulpit but there is one more thought I want to share, based on my experience---and the "make U dumber" question. While AN opiate, or, maybe, a few opiates, WON'T make one dumb/dumber, I guarantee that a 10-15 year addiction, when, every-single-day, one is consuming 50-60 pills, one just cannot be too darmn smart.

    best, sb...

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    Hi Antwan, it's me:D I concur with Sam and Arl, and ok, I can give Johnny some credit here, (you are off the hook, you know what I mean;)) My point - ask yourself these questions - long term user vs short term? chronic user vs moderate? type of substance and how so used? see this is what I would think.

    Having said that, yes, you are an IDIOT when you use, because you are basically making a mockery of yourself and everyone around you, not to mention the casualties that are involved in your own little purple haze plus you actually think you are so damn intelligent. It's like, WTF is wrong with those stupid normal people? what is all the huff and puff about?

    Quitting, working at becoming and staying C&S thats a pretty tough job on its own, but extrememly INTELLIGENT AND WAY COOL when you actually pull it off. IMHO, I am not trying to say that you are stupid for relapsing, should that ever be the case (no pun sam) it happens, it happens alot., I am so not in the clear and on guard 24/7 - be it looking for any excuse to use, stress, backache, need energy, rationalizing and analysing everything from every angle till you satisfy your decision to use again.

    The tricky part is to try to not fall into that trap. For example, sever ties with everything you can associate your use with, friends, whatever, stay away from triggers, anything that would normally set you off to use, for example, when I quit smoking, I associated that with coffee, so I quit drinking coffee. That was 7 years ago, after my first year, I enjoyed my coffee again minus the smoke. I never picked up a ciggarette again and still enjoy my java. Luck? maybe, determination, definately.;)

    So, I would say, no. I believe that your body has a natural emotional reset button. Your body can actually heal itself, over time. Your brain needs to re-train it's receptors by learning emotions, feelings, happiness, sadness, stress, anxiety,
    under normal or 'healthy' circumstances vs being high when it does not know WTF is going on. Basically what any 'normal' person would usually experience, and knows how to deal with it. Infants learn this at birth. This may take time, but I am on day 81 and I already notice significant changes both emotionally and memory(Johnny will disagree here :D) seriously, bits and pieces come back day by day. As an added bonus, ITS SUCH A RUSH, A NORMAL HIGH LIKE NO OTHER - I LOVE IT THIS WAY - THE C&S WAY[8D]

    Your life will get better, not worse, I think that's a safe bet, eh Arl[?]

    Ok, I am babbling again - I am just going to go:D

    Hugs,
    RaiderChick - opiod free day 81[8D]

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    Arlene, could you tell me what "wet brain syndrome" is?? I have never heard that term before..

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    quote:Originally posted by cynderdee

    Arlene, could you tell me what "wet brain syndrome" is?? I have never heard that term before..
    More properly known as Korsakoff's Syndrome. Wherein the brain cells become SATURATED with alcohol.

    I [u]believe</u> that continued alcoholism deprives the brain of Vitamin B which causes severe memory disorder...confusion.

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    quote:Originally posted by Ann

    I know what my pre-opiate I.Q. was. After using methadone for many years, I took another Stanford/Binet I.Q. test. I had not lost any intelligence as measured by that test. However, I really agree with Arlene, I have definitely made some bad decisions, lost memory and slept so much it didn't matter how smart I was.Ann
    I think this also speaks to the point that you can't be "too smart" to avoid the Disease of Addiction.

    I too have a rather high (you should excuse the expression) IQ.

    Some of the "smartest people"...IQ wise...are addicts; either in active addiction or recovery. Intellectually gifted people who make really DUMB choices.

    Just take a look at some of the posts on this board...you don't have to go any further to prove the point.

    Actually...and here it comes guys...I actually think you can be "too smart" to either get or stay in recovery. The AA saying of K.I.S.S. is there for a reason. Intellectual prowess has NOTHING to do with this disease.

    You can't think your way out of it. You gott'a act your way out of it.

    Am I "as smart" (IQ wise) as I was pre-using days? Haven't the faintest. Haven't been retested.

    But, for me, it doesn't matter at this juncture. I know have been gifted with another chance of a rejuvenated mental acuity. And most importantly, its the gift that keeps on giving as long as I stay C&S...one day at a time.

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    Wow, thanks for the heads up. Makes sense to me. Surprised I had never heard of it, but I learn something new all the time.

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