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    Default Interesting taper schedule for Hydro addiction

    I came across this taper schedule online while surfing. It seems pretty solid, and is supposedly writtern by a physician. It is from an article printed in the UK, so "gear" means herion I think.

    Good luck people!!

    So many people have become addicted to large doses of vicodin that one generic, norco 10, has been designed specifically to contain the least Tylenol (paracematol) content – 325mg. A popular Manhattan doctor who cultivates vicodin addicts conceived the following dropdown schedule. It was designed for his patients who want to detox or for whom it would look suspicious to authorities if he continued writing heavy prescriptions for. The schedule lasts six weeks, is actually one of the most symmetrical, and actually is easy to handle in the initial stages.



    Week 1: 2 tablets four times per day (80mg hydrocodone per day).



    Week 2: 1.5 tablets four times per day (60mg hydrocodone per day).

    During week 2, stabilization is being achieved and the addict will barely notice a difference.



    Week 3: 1 tablet four times per day. (40mg hydrocodone per day).

    Here is gets a little rougher but the patient will remain straight. The occasional use of the muscle relaxant soma (carisprodol, mio relax) to aid with body pains, and an occasional valium at night if sleep is interrupted is recommended.



    Week 4: ? tablet four times per day (30mg hydrocodone per day).

    The dropdown will not be noticeable, and sympathetic measures like the prudent use of the above sedatives and muscle relaxants, along with keeping hydrated and physical therapy measures like hot showers, baths and even hot packs is important. However, norco 10 is a very small pill and hence difficult to split; and an attempt to three-quarter them will be something of an approximation.



    Week 5: ? tablet four times per day (20mg hydrocodone per day).

    Here it is extremely rough on the patient, and the other medical and physical therapy measures are a near necessity in order for them to stick with it.



    Week 6: ? tablet four times per day (10mg hydrocodone per day)

    It is extremely difficult to split norco on any 10mg hydrocodone tablet into quarters. People have approached this stage of detoxification by taking one half tablet three times per day at increasingly longer intervals, dropping to half tablet twice a day, and then none. By now, the amount of medication feels small, petty, annoying and robbed of any reward system. The sympathetic measures are essential, although those who cannot afford them have made it through without additional medications.



    Throughout the schedule it is essential that one not tamper with the dosages or take more to chase any high or feel better, it will throw the monkey right onto your back with its full teeth and claws ripping at you. And the sedatives must not be abused, as they will then create a separate addiction that will have to be dealt with medically. The muscle relaxant soma (carisprodol, mio relax) is also helpful but is not to be taken in any massive amounts.



    It takes about 5-7 days to shake a vicodin habit as opposed to the intense 2-3 days of turkeying off gear. The cycle of vicodin withdrawal usually follows a pattern of exhaustion, followed by mental depression, and sometimes ending with a cold, as the drug is antitussive by nature. Another disconcerting side effect of vicodin is on hearing. It can muffle everything with heavy use and the user’s voice will be unknowingly loud. During withdrawn noises will feel exaggerated.



    If the individual is narcotic tolerant and has used gear or other morphine-like narcotics for many years, there is stabilization similar to methadone possible with prudent use of vicodin. The dosing formula is equivalent to that of many chronic pain patients who use the drug. It involves taking 5-10mg hydrocodone approximately every six hours, with a minimum of 15mg and a maximum of 30mg per day. You cannot fall off this schedule, take more medication to feel good or more frequently without becomin

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    Nice try! My hat is off to any addict who can taper successfully!!!

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    I think I must be a total wimp or something because I don't know how people on here can NOT taper!! Once I went through w.d's on accident ( didnt know what they were) I swore to myself I would NEVER go through that again, NO MATTER WHAT. The pain was so bad. Even though I would really want to take my last pills, I would always think of that pain I felt during my w.d's.
    That said, I only tapered down, not all the way off. So I did have w.d's the like 5 times I have stopped!! Going through those w.d's is the quickest way to make me use again though.
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    Sarah, I used to be able to taper without much problem, too. But I found that the longer I used, and the more times I went back to the pills, I could no longer do it. I would set up a taper schedule, write it down, and then just blow it by taking all the rest of my pills in a few days. Then scramble to get more....

    Addiction is a progressive disease, so if you are still at the stage where you can taper, then be glad that you got out while you did...and don't ever go back!

    I know that some people Have posted that they can taper successfully....so I'm not saying it doesn't work. Just that it becomes harder and harder the longer you use.

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    Ash
    Well said. When I first popped into my doctors office in 1993 with a "little" Valium challenge, I was able to taper all by my lonesome. 1994-opiates and benzo's, not a chance.
    The only time I could stick to a set schedule was when I'd go to the bank on Saturday, put my OC's in my safe deposit box, and return Monday to pick them up. I was very proud of myself, cuz I could say, "See I didn't use yesterday (Sunday!)

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    Taper? What is that? :)

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    Hell, I can't even taper off peanut M&M's.

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    Glad you asked: gradual diminution of thickness, diameter, or width in an elongated object.

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    I asked you what "taper" meant, NOT what happens to my private part when on opiates!

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    hmm...never thought of that. But then again, until I'm off Sub, it's irrelevant anyway...

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    Yeah, I guess I can see where you guys are coming from. And TRUST ME, I know that I am still pretty light into the addiction, so I am glad I am (hopefully) getting out now. I was only able to get vicodins from my doc and then usually only 5 mg ones, so even at 20 a day ( which I never took) you are still only at 100 mg of hydrocodone a day. Much less than with percocet or the fentanyl. When I was in pain mgmt, I remember I used to get so mad they wouldn't give me the "harder" drugs, like they were everyone else. Now I look back and thank god I didn't get them. I admire all of you for quitting when you are much more addicted than I am, because this is SO hard now, I can only imagine what you all have gone through.
    Sarah

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    Sarah-
    Sounds as though you're early in your addiction. Your desire for stronger meds from the pain management clinic tells me that you are likely in the right place.
    Over any measurable period of time, our addiction gets worse, never better. I'm yet to meet ONE person for whom that didn't apply. And I know a bunch of ppl. cuz of AA/NA.
    Please be grateful that you're stopping now. And stay clean and sober, whatever it takes....Mic

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