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    Default Tapering down from opiates.

    How do you taper from 80 t0 100 mg of oxycontin and 80 t0 100 mg of supeudol without those terrible withdrawal symptoms. I need some guidelines, please.

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    Well, there aint no free rides off the opiate express Granny...WD is part of the deal.

    Get someome to hold the pills first and foremost. Very unlikely that an opiate addict can control themselves with pills in hand. I certainly couldn't.

    Go down ten mgs every three days..the three days will assist in your adjustmemt to lowet doses. Basically a month long plan to get free. Once i got to a hundred mgs a day, i blinked and it as 500 mgs a day....

    Never too soon to get off this train.

    Good luck
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    I tried every taper known to mankind, and granted, everyone is different, but as quickly and as painlessly as you possibly can is the only way I can think of, but you will more likely than not, experience withdrawal at some point in time.. Ask someone for help, talk to your doctor if you have one, AND TELL HIM WHATS UP..... Tell him what youre experiencing and tell him how you feel about whats going on with you... IMO, its critical to let the supplier know what you want to try and do.. Your doctor can help come up with a plan, god knows we, well, most all of us anyway, cant come up with a plan on our own, I dang sure couldnt... The oxies are potent, so if you have a way to do it, seek medical advice and STICK TO IT.... Good luck

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    Default Re: Tapering down from opiates.

    Other then iboga I know of no way. Weaning might help but I never could. What does help is clonidine, magnesium, immodium at double doses. Drink plenty of fluids and get many movies.

    Good luck.
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    I am the worlds worst taper guy.. I would get all serious about it .. make a plan.. And start on the taper.. Within a couple days, I was putting it off because of this event or that .. Some tapers lasted a month.. others lasted 4 hours..

    I read about people on here that taper and am in awe.. I am so impressed with their diligence. At first I would not believe that people where actually doing it .. now I realize I am just weak in that place.. lol
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    The short answer Granny is that, for opioid tapering from high doses, slow and steady wins the race. A lot of your success will be determined by how good your overall plan is, and also by the level of support you have available. More important than any plan, however brilliant, is your attitude and determination. Do you really and truely want to be clean MORE than you want to use, and are you willing to go to any lengths to stop? The answer to that is critical.

    First you need to provide a little more info. What are the dosing times and amounts for each med. How long have you been taking each, and at what doses. Do you use other psychoactive drugs in addition to opioids. Do you have a spouse, and does he know what's up? Is he willing to support you? Any chance you could attend rehab or counselling? Would you? Just lay it all out.

    It's a little trickier to taper from long-acting opioids, but not impossible. How many milligram amounts do you have access to? Does your doctor know about your situation, and is he willing to help in prescribing lower doses later on. Just hard to break the pills down later when you're using very small doses.

    General guidelines are as follows: You should first stabilize at a dose slightly lower than your current average. Once that feels OK, you should begin dropping around 20% every 3-5 days. Never reduce in less than 3 days, and never hold a dose for more than 7. You generally need to taper more slowly when you get to low doses. ("the lower, the slower").

    It's best to have a trusted person hold your pills and dispense ony what you need for each dose. Tell them also to ingore you pleading and wild stories. Never spike doses (special occasions, big projects at work, etc.) It will really set you back, and also weaken your confidence. The key is a high quality plan...then all you do is follow that religiously.

    I have much experience with tapering. If you give me enough info,I can put a plan together for you, provided you can procure the right medicines in the right dosage amounts. So...fill in the blanks and we'll see what we can do. Tapering is the single most effective way to quit narcotics long-term, as any addictionologist will tell you. I did it (clean for over 2 years) and so have lots of other people. You can be the next one if you like. Just takes honesty, open-mindedness and willingness. If I can do it, you can do it.
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    Thanks james!

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    Sorry for jumping in on your thread, Granny - and best of luck to you. This is my first time here and I'm having a similar issue. I've been on 7.5/325 mg Percocet for nearly 4 years, along with a dozen other types of pain meds for chronic pain. However, for the last two years or so, I've also been prescribed Opana. The last 2 months, my pharmacy has been telling me that they haven't received any more so what they have is all they have. My doc told me the other day that the drug rep said it may be another month before they start producing again. Okay, enough with the choppy back story. Basically, I have had to go from taking (and ashamedly quite often taken by snorting) up to 100mg of Opana a day down to a few 4mg dilaudid and a couple percocet. Everything I have read and researched about Opana is that it is HIGHLY addictive, HIGHLY difficult to stop taking. I had my very last bit of opana about 30 hours ago and I think Im in full blown withdrawals, even tho I DO have other opiates. I liken it to someone used to eating 5 steaks a day for years now only allowed to nibble on one bite of a slim-jim. I could take 1/4 of my bottle of dilaudid in one day to equal my normal Opana dose.
    SORRY for rambling, I know I probably am not making a whole hell of a lot of sense. I'm usually a very good writer, but I think I'm dope sick. I've never w/drawn from anything before and I'm just not feeling right, or well. I have been wanting to get off the Opana for a long time, and especially away from the powder up the nose BS I have been doing for a year. Any help, advice, ***** me out, tell me it's gonna pass ---- anything. I'm hating life right now. Symptoms: hot, sweating, freezing and chills, leg aches, teeth ache, lethargic, insomnia, weakness. Today I have had 1 perc 7.5 mg and five 4mg dilaudid. Luckily my 'chronic pain' issues haven't flared up so I'm not dealing with that. I know I will never be completely opiate free unless they find a way to end my condition, but I KNOW I have been over-using and definitely Abusing for way too long.
    Thank you so much, and sorry again for stealing your thread and sounding like a complete idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinksdaze View Post
    Sorry for jumping in on your thread, Granny - and best of luck to you. This is my first time here and I'm having a similar issue. I've been on 7.5/325 mg Percocet for nearly 4 years, along with a dozen other types of pain meds for chronic pain. However, for the last two years or so, I've also been prescribed Opana. The last 2 months, my pharmacy has been telling me that they haven't received any more so what they have is all they have. My doc told me the other day that the drug rep said it may be another month before they start producing again. Okay, enough with the choppy back story. Basically, I have had to go from taking (and ashamedly quite often taken by snorting) up to 100mg of Opana a day down to a few 4mg dilaudid and a couple percocet. Everything I have read and researched about Opana is that it is HIGHLY addictive, HIGHLY difficult to stop taking. I had my very last bit of opana about 30 hours ago and I think Im in full blown withdrawals, even tho I DO have other opiates. I liken it to someone used to eating 5 steaks a day for years now only allowed to nibble on one bite of a slim-jim. I could take 1/4 of my bottle of dilaudid in one day to equal my normal Opana dose.
    SORRY for rambling, I know I probably am not making a whole hell of a lot of sense. I'm usually a very good writer, but I think I'm dope sick. I've never w/drawn from anything before and I'm just not feeling right, or well. I have been wanting to get off the Opana for a long time, and especially away from the powder up the nose BS I have been
    doing for a year. Any help, advice, ***** me out, tell me it's gonna pass ---- anything. I'm hating life right now. Symptoms: hot, sweating, freezing and chills, leg aches, teeth ache, lethargic, insomnia, weakness. Today I have had 1 perc 7.5 mg and five 4mg dilaudid. Luckily my 'chronic pain' issues haven't flared up so I'm not dealing with that. I know I will never be completely opiate free unless they find a way to end my condition, but I KNOW I have been over-using and definitely Abusing for way too long.
    Thank you so much, and sorry again for stealing your thread and sounding like a complete idiot.
    You dont sound like an idiot..and you are definitelyin WD..My OXY habit was off the charts at 500 plus mgs a day. percs, vicdin, even heroin would not take me out of the withdrawal...I've been where you are.
    This is sounding like a blessing in disguise..No Opana is giving you an opportunity to see just how bad it has gotten for you. Take stock of that, WD will pass. Pain is hugely magnified in opiate WD...most chronic pain patients ive met that detoxed and got and stayed clean found other ways to manage the pain..opiates are not a permanent solution to pain issues. ultimately they bring so much anguish that folks will go to any length to avoid them.

    You have been given an opportunity to make a choice here.
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    Thank you, thank you Parachute! I do appreciate you responding so quickly. I made it thru the night, but with the help of ONE SOMA and in the early morning hours, I took TWO 4mg Dilaudid to help me get back to sleep. Today I'm having the stomach cramps, a little diarrhea, the other side of my mouth (teeth) hurt and my legs are still pretty achy. I'm wondering about the hot/cold - sweats/chills because I also have a low thyroid and haven't been taking my Synthroid faithfully AND I'm 41/F so possibly hitting early menopause. Those symptoms have been ongoing for awhile so not sure how related they are to the w/d. Anyway, I feel a little stronger both emotionally and physically today. Just a little stronger. I suppose it's one step at a time, one foot in front of the other - all those cliches' and such. I'm actually kind of proud of myself for the will power not to just chow down my Dilaudid. Today, I've had two of them, and one perc. A long time ago, I cut out an article that acetyl/LCarnitine is helpful when detoxing so my wonderful hubby ran out and got me a bottle. I am taking 4 of them a day, as well as my synthroid. The only thing I did wrong so far was to send (and receive one back) a text from an ex that I have a quantum entanglement with. I need to stay away from him, although we will love each other till our last breaths. Anyway, I know I'm not opiate free, not even close... but going from the type and amount of meds down to where I am the last two days is HUGE. I hope and pray that everyone who is going thru this - and I believe there are going to be a lot of cases of people who were on OPANA, and now cannot get it, well I honestly hope they find some sort of support system and get thru the w/d fast and easy. Hopefully one day there will be an easier way to get pain relief without the risk of addiction. I don't know how somebody would go thru a full detox and then use again, because even tho mine isn't a full detox, I know I will never fill another prescription for Opana, and I"m going to make an HONEST decision to continue to step down from the other meds I take. Gah, I'm blabbing and rambling again. Thank you again -

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