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    Hey.. my addiction Dr gave me Naltrexone 50mg. I have not started it yet as i am on day 3 no sub. the researce sugests not to start till 7 to 10 days.. the dr saiid 3 or 4.. but i will wait till 7. what do you guys have to say aobut it?
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    I was under the assumption that Naltraxone was in Suboxone. I'm confused about this one.
    Don't be afraid of withdrawal. The sick feeling will pass and then the real work starts: staying sober. For me, the rooms of AA were the last thing I tried and the first thing that worked, but it will only work if you work it.

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    i just looked it up. It is in sub. so maybe i can take it sooner. but it says it don't help you with much of anything . just stops you from being able to get high.. I think i need that.. .. cuase i keep ******* up
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    No. Naltrexone is different from naloxone. I DON'T know what the difference IS, but I studied around for a second, and they seem to be 2 different animals (though, I would not be at all surprised if they're of the same species.).

    I'm out for the weekend now. Good luck!

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    ps... I have been reading a bit about LDN (low dose Naltrexone), and there is actually quite a bit out there about it. I searched for withdrawals (only briefly) from Naltrexone, and didn't find anything. I know there is a controversial Doc in Australia who does Naltrexone implants, mainly for hardcore heroin addicts. His patients practically call him G@d, but I don't know if the verdicts (and how many) are in.

    Research!! =)

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    Naloxone is added to suboxone. It is not in subutex. The reason is to disssuade abuse of suboxone. It's also used in OD type sits.

    Naltexone is used in opiate treatments long term. Very much like antabuse is used in alcoholism.

    LDN is controversial at best, in part due to one doc's 'low dose' not being representative of the next's. And the side effects.
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    I see..thanks for the clarification.
    Don't be afraid of withdrawal. The sick feeling will pass and then the real work starts: staying sober. For me, the rooms of AA were the last thing I tried and the first thing that worked, but it will only work if you work it.

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    I just talked to some people i rehabed with that took it in rehab... and they said it gave them WD even when taken 2 weeks clean..the instructions on the website from the med says 7 to 10 days. my doc said 5 days... try a half of the 50mg.. I am going to go with the waiting 3 to 4 weeks.... but i sure could use the help now beucase im sick so i want to go to the pain place or the doc tomarow... but i don't want to do this again
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    Do NOT NOT NOT take that pill.....EVEN cut in half.

    Ok, here's my 2 cents, and keep in mind...I've done a buttload of research on Naltrexone, LDN, etc. And have done LDN before also.

    If you are going to take ANY form of naltrexone, wait at LEAST a week or two. Then start out small. Get a script for Low dose naltrexone...start at 1.5 MG. for a week, then try going to 3 mg for a week. Naltrexone, regardless of the amount, blocks opiates but also blocks endorphins from hitting the receptors. With the LDN the blockade is several hours, so the brain is supposed to sense the lack of endorphins getting through and kickstart itself to overproducing, hence compensating for our depleted supply, and helping us to a level of normalcy. However, at anything about 5 mg, it's going to stick to those receptors way too long, causing a major depression. If you're using it for "protection", I can understand it, but i would highly advise against it. Conversely for rebuilding the brain's endorphin system, i WOULD highly recommend LDN at the 3 mg dose nightly...I have it in the med cabinet, and would be taking it now if it didn't bother my stomach so much.

    Keep in mind also, that depending how long you've been on subs, it takes AWHILE for it to clear out of your system.... 1 or 2 weeks you're safe to try 1.5 to 3 mg. I'd never take more than 5. You want protection? I'd much sooner go to meetings, get a sponsor, tie myself to the bed, than to take a full dose of Naltrexone. Just my opinion bro, do as you will, and please post your decision.
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    thanks Roxy... u guys know way more then the websites and the drs. I didn't take it in rehab so I think i will stick with that decision.... but i do like the idea of ins.. like antibuse.. 14 years ago antibuse may have helped me get thru the FU moments.

    i am having them now... wanting to get high but don't want to start over again... I am so mad i let myself take friggin 17 days of sub.. i knew better from 5 years ago.. we never fxxkin learn.. its like when a woman has a baby.... they forget the horrible pain....and have another one. but when they are going thru it they say never again....LOL Just a little humor... not that i would know anything aobut having a baby....but i think its a good comparison... from what my woman friends ahve told me..lol
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    Anytime bro. Listen, when it comes to the neurology and science behind many of these remedies as well as the opiates themselves....i'm virtually an encyclopedia. Any question you have regarding them, their effects and their effects on the brain, I probably have either insight or the answer to it. Doesn't mean I'm anything special. I'm an addict, also one prone to relapse, but I've done hours upon hours of research to understand the neurological and physiological effects of LDN, subs, opiate pain meds....usually in an attempt to bypass detox somehow, or to be able to get high on opiates without getting addicted....and it basically can't be done, lol. I came close once, with LDN....after studying clinical trials...but in the end, it's gonna fail you. Keep in mind, that even with a 2 week sub treatment or even a week sub treatment. The worst of the "mild" detox is going to occur 3 to 5 days after your last dose. After 7 days, you'll start to get some energy back....after 2 weeks you should be about 70 percent functional, which is where I am right now. I would start taking the LDN again, but I believe that it gives me some serious GI problems. I still think i may start doing it again though, because aside from the GI issues, LDN can't hurt...it can only help, and worst case it does nothing for you. But again, my strongest recommendation is to start at 1.5 mg, then move to 3, then if you can handle 4.5...give it a try. I was always more comfortable at 3....even at that level though, expect vivid dreams (which is good, it's a sign that your brain is healing), and sleep disturbances. When i was at 3 mg, i'd go to bed at 10 and be up at 3 and that was it...let me know how it goes.
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    yea i was thinking the same schedulle of day 4 and 5 being the worst this time.. today is 3 and it sucks..luckly i can lay in bed all weekend... I am almost done with my sales reports then i am going to lay down and not make myself get out of bed unless i want to till monday....LOL I got xanax and seriquil and flexeral.. I know xanax is bad but if i need it so be it.. i don't take it regully so im not dependant on it...

    oh on the vivid dreams.. I dont mind them.. i am also HIV and on Atripla which has sustiva in it, that gives u waccy dreams....reallly waccy. LOL used to that ****.
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