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    Default Opiate Self Detox -- aka Thomas Recipe

    PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

    THOMAS RECIPE

    The Recipe is designed for cold turkey detox off of opiates. This usually requires time of from work or household responsibilities. If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

    For the Recipe, You'll need:

    1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

    2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

    3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

    4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

    5. Vitamin B6 caps.

    6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

    How to use the recipe:

    Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

    Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

    During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

    Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

    At the end of the fourth or fifth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

    Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

    As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

    Thomas

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    I've tried to keep the recipe text as simple and non-technical as possible, but I need to provide more info for all the addicts like me who consider following directions optional, including two caveats:

    1) If L-Tyro is started too soon in the wd/detox process, it can make the detox impossible to continue. Like the pill-ravenous beasts that we all are, many addicts start gulping the L-Tyro on the first day of wd -- an appallingly bad idea, considering that sedation (from the benzo), muscle relaxation (from the benzo/hot bath/potassium combination) and inhibition of bowel motility (from the Imodium) are critical at that point and L-Tyro acts to defeat all of them.

    L-Tyrosine therapy should NOT be started until you're no longer feeling the acute opiate wd symptoms (you know what they are -- sweats, cramps, runs, vomiting, insomnia, RLS, etc.) and are now dealing with the aftermath -- total lack of mental, emotional or physical energy.

    2) It's already in the text, but people forget that the recipe is formulated for cold-turkey (total cessation of opiates) home detox using the minimum of prescription-only drugs (Valium or other benzo), since most addicts going through this are by then out of money, drugs, doctors and most if not all family support. I don't recommend L-Tyrosine for controlled tapers. It might help when the taper dose gets very, very low, but I'll never know personally because I can't taper.

    Anyway, L-Tyrosine comes in clear 500mg capsules. You can get it in almost any nutritional supplement outlet, health food store, online supplement chains, etc., though not in Canada. Just don't waste your money on products that merely include an insignificant amount of L-Tyrosine -- get the pure stuff or nothing.

    Good luck,

    Thomas

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    Hi Thomas, thanks for this info, it sounds very interesting.
    Question: Do you think the Valium will allow you too sleep during the first few days of the Cold Turkey detox. From what I've read, it seems as though most people cannot sleep when detoxing from H no matter what they do. Just curious how much Valium did you take to induce sleep.

    Thanx


    Good, Better, Best. Never let it rest until your good is better and your better is best!

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    Thomas there is more to the recipe.. Very important is 5-HTP (used to be L-Triptophan) also B1 also helps too.

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    Good advice, but just one more addition, (based on my personal experience... I know it seems obvious, but can be easily overlooked when struggling with symptoms) STAY HYDRATED... liquids, liquids, liquids! Make sure you start off well hydrated because, if you're a vomiter, once you start puking, it may be hard to keep anything down.

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    A word of caution about taking potassium:

    If you are currently taking the high blood pressure medication Lotrel or any other ACE inhibitor, do NOT take potassium supplements of any kind without first checking with your doctor. Same goes if you are on a low-carb, high-protein diet (Atkins or South Beach). ACE inhibitors and low carb diets tend to increase potassium levels beyond normal, whereas most Americans not on ACE inhibitors or low-carb diets tend to have potassium levels below normal.

    Check out today's article in the New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/22/health/22brod.html



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    JaH-
    You amaze me on a regular basis. Would you mind telling us a little about how you know so much?
    I know about the perils of interpreting the written word. I am not being sarcastic in the least!
    Sorry if I missed "bio" in another post. MIC

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    I'm a journalist, which means I tend to be a know-it-all if I'm not careful.

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    if there was a god he sent you to us

    thanks

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    Hi Thomas,
    I remember you from another forum a few years back. I am glad that you are here. I am sure you have plenty of advice and support for everyone. Hopefully, you will get a little something for yourself as well..As they say..it's helping other addicts....well you know the rest. :)

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    I've been hooked on Ultram for 10 years and tapering hasn't worked, so this recipe looks encouraging. Part of the attraction of the Thomas recipe is the simplicity. A pharmacist who detoxed from Ultram says on another board that I'll require the following: 1)Phenergan or Tigan suppositories for nausea 2)immodium for the runs .3) ativan or valium for its anti anxiety properties .4) motrin for any pain 5) a muxscle relaxant like flexeril or soma 6)ambien for sleep.

    I'm wondering if the L-Tyrosine, etc., can take the place of the suppositories and soma. I'm also wondering if it might be preferable to avoid mixing ambien with valium. Since I have some tolerance to valium, I know a mere 5 mg. won't provide any sleep, but I suspect 15-20 mg. can do it if that's not an excessive starting point. I went to Walgreen's yesterday and noticed that no mineral supplement provides more than 5% RDA of potassium. So I purchased separate bottles of potassium and B6. Are there any symptoms I should be aware of that might suggest I'm using excessive amounts of either? The last step is the L-Tyrosine. I'll probably have to drive out of town to a GNC store for that. Then I'm taking 2 weeks off and hoping for the best. Cap

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