The only way around withdrawals is straight thru it!!!!!! How many years did we keep using just to avoid being sick for one week??????? These are quotes that I like to say to myself alot. Its a b%$ch going thru w/d's. Time stops. Your senses like taste, smell, and other things come alive to the point of discomfort. I have been weening down and even then I'm depressed and wishing I had just stuck with the CT cause I would have been past this by now. I made it to day 3 last time and I was well on my way to day 4 but a friend who I am know considering to eliminate from my friends list called and asked WHY???? I hadn't called him in a week. I told him I was on day 3 of quitting and he told me to get to his house fast so he could make me well for free. In the condition I was in I couldn't resist. It was a scary drive to his house cause I felt so out of it.

It might be a good idea to turn off your phone if you have AKA friends who check up on you. I havent been able to get that initial desire to go CT since then. From what I have heard day 3 is the peak. You may either stay at day 3 discomfort for a day or two or you may start to feel better after day 3. Sometimes we make the w/d's seem like they are going to be worse then they will be but from my experience I never know how bad it will be till I get there.

Weening down like I have been telling myself will work has been having mixed results. Right now I am powering through some light w/d's but its been way too easy to cheat my plan so keep up with the way you are doing it. It wont last forever and it sure as heck wont last as long as weening down. Even weening down brings discomfort!!!!!!!!

Treemandave

If you hit the floor
You can always crawl!

I changed my subject line. i know you have posted on my thread but I changed it to Weener weener away!!!!I'm such a weener!!! lol I am about to fill some caps with kratom though. I'm nopt going to take them yet cause what i took this morning is got a huge half life so Im gonna suffer till I have to go to work tomorrow. Tomorrow will be my very first time trying kratom exclusevily for w/d's. If I had the option I would just suffer all day tomorrow but i am a tree trimmer and I cant suffer w/d's at 50 ft with a running chainsaw. AND tomorrow i have to work. I will let you know if anything happens at all with this stuff tomorrow.

Treemandave

If you hit the floor
You can always crawl!

Thanks guys for posting, read them, but can't remember you names right now, my minds is $@^&*$@&%$^%$#@. Words can't decribe....

I managed to eat some seaweed salada and a greek village salad...instead of the burgers from the grill the rest of the family had...i need the greens and good nutrition right now. and can't stomach burgers right now. [:u]

one thing about suffering thru WD without taking anything, it can be good or it can be bad as I see it. People are really different in how much pain they can take. Had a friend who had a colonoscopy and didn't want any pain meds for the procedure and made it thu ok. Me, tried without it a few years back and thought I was going to passout from the pain. Counldnt take it....so took the pain meds and even with it it hurt like no tomrrow...so withWD some can take it without anything....and as you have read so just can't eventhough they do really want to quit, they just can't take the ct route. They give in. some can take it all the way through....mentally phsysically some are stronger, some are weaker.....as with the kratom, i don't know enough about it so will NOT be ordering any.....my hubs has gone to get me Nyquil some B complex we are out of along with a good Multi. Have cal/mag which is calming and read to somewhere that gravol is calming which I took one of...whatever it takes to get off the opiates......I am determined to get off it and get mey life back so doing it in a softer way will not deminish my resolve to do so, it will help.. i will never forget how the oxys owned me.....never,,,i have my writtings here to remind me of the pain, if i forgetr...but have to get thu first....i also have something called Gabapentin. I am in Canada and some of the names are different.....the Gaba is helping a bit too. Nothing will take it all away, but to take off the edge, well that is good, ensures that i will make it through....

Also you guys, help me so much, I run to the screen to see if anyone has left me and advise or kind words, it does help so much....

I have back issues as well, that's why this all strated by the way. forgot to mention that......I am forgetting a lot right now....I see that some of you are from Canada as well, this is good. i guess...

Well really hope to hear from you soon. you make me feel not soooo alone......

Peabody

Hello Peabody - welcome to ODR. I see youve gotten some great support from the ODR family. I just wanted to say hi too and let you know that there is help for you in dealing with back pain without having to take opiates. There are many of us that deal with chronic pain - if you havent read it, my thread discusses techniques to use that have helped me in the past with my back pain. Others have also posted what has worked in their situation. Please feel free to read up to see if you can relate to anything on the thread and Im happy to answer any questions you may have. Im glad youve decided to stop. The Gaba will help a bit (it is Neurontin - an anti-seizure med used for pain, non-opiate). Keep posting and letting us know how youre doing. Im glad to see you were able to get something into your stomach to eat. good sign. Take care..hang tight.

You Can Not Make The Most Of Tomorrow Without First Making The Most Of Today.

HONESTY Doesnt Leave The Door Open For Interpretation.

I can tell your not feeling good. My mind was all scattered when I tried going CT. I may be going CT soon once again. I'm so sick and tired of not only the addiction but the dude I get it from. Hes a menace to my life. Not just cause of the supply but he talks crap about all my sober friends. Ugh!!!!! Hang in there!!! I just got interupted by the phone and my girlfriend is running away from the clean and sober home I just dropped her off at 2 days ago. She wants me to come get her before the owner gets home since he aparently likes to yell at her alot. I wish I had never relapsed. Stuff like this is hard to deal with when Im not stable. @*^#

Treemandave

If you hit the floor
You can always crawl!

Peabody....waddup brother?? Listen.....strap yourself in-the ride gets rough, but you will survive.....Mr Addiction is getting real pissed at you for deciding that you will no longer feed him....understand? He will *bleep* with your mind and do anything the first few days for you to give in to him!! Tell him to go *bleep* himself, that it's your turn now......when I quit after a 5 year opiate addiction, the mental battle was terrible, but it gets better as the days progress....remember-one day at a time[;^)] I had flu like symptons-insomnia-loss of appetite, anxiety up the wahoo...all that you are feeling....it's part of the process.....some friend these pills turned out to be, huh?? What helped me when I decided enough was enough was that I really hated these freaking pills.....and that helped me mentally. Go buy some Ensures and drink them....they help keep the nutrients stable in your body, and if you can eat a banana or force down a half a sandwich....that will be good. Ask your doctor for Visteril if you can...helps with the sleep and definitely the anxiety....this is what my detox doctor gave me....non-addictive!! If that is not an option, then Valerian Root herb capsules or tea will help you relax also! Drink plenty of water to flush out those toxins and take hot baths and showers to help.....remember...it will take awhile for your body and mind to slap each other five again!! You all can go to an NA meeting in your area also....nothing like being around recovering addicts who have walked your walk and then some to help you along the way and acquire the tools needed to beat this addiction.....you can do this.....I just celebrated 16 months last week and have zero cravings or desires now.....and life is great.....just stating this because I walked the walk.....keep strong...Willingness to do whatever it takes...A strong Conviction to keep it that way....and a strong resolve never to use again....prayer helps alot.....build those fences and put a few moats around them worked for me....ALL the best my friend....keep us posted...we are all here to help!



Bobby

<center>"Your worst day of not using, is better then your best day using!"</center>

Hey. Have family member detoxing...maybe 18 months of daily use, couple hundered MG's a day of various opiates at the high end...no less than 100 (depending on the pills)...scary as *bleep* to watch...she is now just sleeping uneasily, sweating, diarrhea, cannot eat, dehydrated...a lot of bone and joint pain...HOW long will this stage last?? Only really sleeping b/c taking drowsy muscle relaxers...

the thing about colt turkey for me was I will alway have the pain of the detox to remind of how bad I do not want to go back there. It does get beeter i promise. I can see your resolve to beat this. Try not to wrry about when it will get better. It is what it is. It is just the price we have to pay for abusing opiates. I am grateful i didnt use anything to take the edge off. itried many detoxs that way and failed every time. Yes benzos klonopin, sub. the problem was they just added to the time line of me gettin better. Time felt long enough when in detox it felt like one minute was a hour. It helped just to accept it and go through it. aminos vitimins protein shakes and tons of water. the trick is to cycle that body as much as possible get the toxins out. just tell yourself I just go to mak it through tonight. I will think of tommorrow when it comes. I fyour min starts thinkin about the future forget about it do something to take you mind off of it. read as many past threads here as possible. very good reads for those sleepless nights. write out your feelings reach out. accept accept acceptance. it is ok, it is okay I can make it. the freedom is totally worth it. hang tough my friend. Dont expect to feel this way or that way. it is what it is. flush flush flush that body and you will be okay. the time has come for you peabody

cori

ON THE PATHWAY TO FREEDOM

Im startin to feel the w/d's myself. Went to rescue girlfriend from clean and sober house tonight and instead took her on tour of her new town then hit a meeting were we both shared then I dropped her back off at the clean and sober home. Which is good thing cause I really couldn't imagine dropping a 25 year old female off in downtown Santa Cruz with nothing but her back pack which is what my only choice would have been at this point. We are both going through hell. I just happened to get hooked on opiates while she was off in Ecudor doing ectasy, coke, and booze.

I'm not going to ask how your doing cause I already know. I would be surprised if you can even type up a thought right now. Opiate addiction really hurts. Its like we build a huge brick wall around us while we are using then to get out we have to batter our way out with our heads. Let me know how its going. I still dont know what its like past day three without some kind of substitute. I have to work tomorrow so I will most likely have to use something cause I dont want to shake myself out of a tree. After that I have several days free. I may be following in your footsteps real soon. I feel it know actually. My stomach is rumbling like a mad dog yet when I try to eat I feel like tossing my cookies after one bite. Bananas will be my saviour the next few days. I understand your fear and hope you make it through to the other side. When you do dont forget to reach back in and drag someone else through the abyss. I just got a mental image of that movie poltergeist when they had to reach into the tv and pull that little girl out all covered in slime. This is kinda similiar dont ya think??????????

Treemandave

If you hit the floor
You can always crawl!

Thanks treeman,
It is nice to hear from someone who knows what i am going through at least some of it. And ofcourse the others that are on this path with me either abit ahead of the detox road or way down the road.

Thanks for not asking how i am doing....it s 2:26am where I am at and i can't sleep. I feel dizzy, nauseas, hurtin all over, anxiety and more. I did take a couple of doeses of Nyquil it is hepling abit, i will sleep soon I think...I so want my life back....this is not it...definately not....btw, i am female, someone refered to me as male, it doens't really matter on here, but don't want to be disengenuinuis.....

With the Gabpentin..how much can one take safely?? This is presecribed to me....oh ya, you guys call it Neurontin in the US, or something like that.....

How much safely???

So day one is over, took my last dose yesterday, Monday at 10 pm i think.....so technically I am into the dreaded day 2.....

I hope you guys will still be around....even though i am not male... i like that smiley face, makes me smile....

anyway, hope you all are doing great, please stick close by these next few days...I do so need you guys!! ones that are ahead and those who are a bit behind me to...nice to know that someone is thinking about me......and kinda seems like you do care.....

Hi Peabody,

First, welcome to the forum. I can tell you feel like crap. If you’ve been taking your oxy whole, not crushing it, the time-release factor might slow the onset of acute withdrawal symptoms a little. The next couple days might seem a little worse. It’s miserable, but after that you should start feeling at least a little bit better. Imagine the worst case of the flu you’ve ever had, add sleeplessness to it and that pretty much describes acute opiate detox. That’s been my experience anyway.

I’ve been through it way too many times. I usually feel halfway decent by about day 5 and fine by day 7. I hope this misery passes quickly for you. Like Treemandave said, the only way out is the way through.

This link will lead you to information about Gabapentin(Neurontin.)

http://www.rxlist.com/neurontin-drug.htm


I’m glad you’re here. Again, welcome. I’m glad you took this important step. I think you may have more courage than you think you do.

Mike

Where do I go now that I've gone too far?
-GoldenEarring

I haven't been able to sleep so I turned my comp back on to check the db's. This discussion board is very important I think. I found it on accident on my first day of trying CT and I check it all the time now. In just the short time I have been on I have seen people do good and some vanish and some keep on pluggin away. I discovered that when going through the w/d's there was nothing better then checking your thread and seeing other people on your thread. My second day of w/d's was tough cause it was a tuesday and I must have checked a thousand times and saw nothing then later that night there was like 7 replys. That was such a relief to be able to read other peoples encoragement. I have pretty much abondoned my thread right now since I'm in limbo anyways and its hard to encourage someone in limbo anyways. I am wondering however that if you are just getting to day two and your already in bad w/d's you may get through them faster then you think. So keep your head up and hope I'm right. The reason I say that is with me....I could go over a day without oxy's before the w/d's kicked in. Lots of times I wouldn't even feel anything really bad till day 3. If you are already hittin hard now you are hittin hard early which right now sucks but in the long run its good. For a long time I didn't even think I was addicted since I could go 2 days without taking anything and not feel all that bad. I think that was just because I had sooooooo much in my system that it took at least 2 days just to drop to critical mass. I do admit that since I have tried about 4 times in the past month in a half to quit the w/d's do hit me alot faster now. I believe thats cause I am just barely maintaining enough to keep me from total meltdown that the toxin levels are low enough now to drop me into w/d's alot faster. But heck the faster they hit the quicker they should go away. I have confidence you will be feeling better quicker then you expect. I would take some of the other advice I have read here and get to a DR for Vistarol. (I doubt I spelled that right). Once you get through the worst part of detox and you get your appetite back you still need to expect anxiety for about 10 days from day one. The Vistoral really does help. Maybe also get a small prescription of ambien. When I detoxed in a medical detox they gave me subutex, vistoral, and ambien. Skip the subutex. You will have to withdraw off that too but vistoral and ambien will help alot. Dont take anyother sleep aid but ambien and only take one a night. I tried Lunesta once and one pill made me hallucinate. Ambien let me sleep the night away and I was still able to get up for the daily reflection meeting at 6:30 AM. Of course right now the last thing you probably want to do is go sit in a Dr's office. I'm gonna try to get some sleep myself now. I doubt I will ba able to so Im gonna keep my comp on and if I cant sleep I'll check back later otherwise I will be gone till tomorrow afternoon

Treemandave

If you hit the floor
You can always crawl!

Good Mornign Peabody....just wanted to stop by and say hello....yeah, the whole sleep thing can be very frustrating but sleep does return with time....keep reminding yourself that it does get better...and remember....once you get through the worst of it you NEVER have to do it again...... Carol

Anything worth having is worth working for!

Hi there just checking in. Looks like u must have got some sleep. I wish I could say the same. My heart is jumping through my chest and I got to go to work in 3 hours. Im freaking out too.

Treemandave

If you hit the floor
You can always crawl!

Congrats Peabody, I'm happy for you! Check in this morning and let us know how you are doing.

As for the gabapentin: I was on it for a long time. It works very well during detox. It is a fairly safe med if you have a tolerance. I would take as little as possible to make me feel better though in your case: as little as 300 mg should make a difference. I wouldn't go higher than 600 at first if you aren't used to it.

Good luck! Let us know what's up.

much love
Danielle