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Hello Everybody! I have been reading this forum for the last three months while trying to get clean, and this is my first post. My habit has reached 1000mg OC daily (13 OC80s). At that point the WDs in between the doses (especially on waking up) became absolutely hellish. In addition, the side effects started affecting my ability to work (blurred vision, nodding off, etc) and I decided to get clean. I think I have enough will power to do it. However the main difficulty is that I am a small business owner, and I can't afford to go CT and take a month off work. So I decided to taper down slowly, doing reductions on the weekends and during holidays, and keeping it steady during the working week so that I can continue to function at a high level and do my job.
The first weekend I took nothing until Sunday night. Two days of absolute hell ensued. Crying my eyes out, dry heaving, and non-stop shaking of the legs. On Sunday night I took enough to stop the WD. That got me onto 400mg per day with no WD. I stayed at that level for a while, and then did a couple WD days over the weekend again, and by Monday I was on 200mg a day, however it is much less comfortable than the 400mg level was. Jittery legs and some anxiety can be felt almost all the time. Still, it is good enough to function almost normally. So I feel pretty happy about going down from 1000mg to 200mg in a span of about four weeks. If this keeps up, it is only a matter of time until the dosage drops to zero.
So why am I posting on this forum? To report something really interesting. I read on the web that Neurontin may help with opiate WD symptoms. There are a couple of posts about that on revolutionhealth.com and other places as well. Having some Neurontin on hand, I tried it. Normally I do the 200mg daily dose by taking 40mg OC five times a day. I took the first 40mg OC of the day, and after about three hours felt WD coming on. Instead of redosing with another 40mg OC I took 400mg of Neurontin. Amazingly, after about two hours WDs have almost disappeared. I could not believe it. Half a day passed and they came back. I took some Lyrica (a new version of Neurontin), and they got better again, and I felt even more comfortable. Now it has been a full day, I have only taken 40mg OC in the morning, and feel nearly normal. No anxiety, no crying my eyes out, only a mild restless leg. Can't believe it. Is Neurontin/Lyrica simply keeping the OC from breaking down in the body, and I am just fooling myself (i.e. it would have been the same as having redosed with OC)? Or does it really help with WD directly? Then why is it not more widely known and practiced in the community?
Anyway, wanted to get this out to see if anybody has had a similar experience and can shed some light on what to expect going forward. I will also post a follow-up in a couple of days after it becomes more clear what is going on with Neurontin/Lyrica and whether or not it seems like it can be a useful tool in detox.
P.S. Parachute - your story has been an inspiration for me to get clean. Thank you!!
I also took Neurontin during the final phases of detox from suboxone and found it quite helpful. It was prescribed to me by my sub doc. I took it for a coupla weeks post-detox as well, then, just let it go.....
I am new to this site as well. I take 300mg/day of neurontin for anxiety and suboxone for WD. I went a day without suboxone and didn't feel as bad as expected? I asked my counselor (out-patient) if the neurontin may have helped? She said it's possible and sounds likely! :) I'm Happy for you, it sounds like your on the right path! Keep up the good work! One day at a time!:)
P.S. I need some feedback in regards to my suboxone.I'm posting a new topic, so if anyone maybe able to help, please look for my topic.Thanks!
Tim - indeed 1000mg is quite a load. Don't recommend it to anybody. By the time it reached that level, I could no longer function normally. Every 1.5 hours, anxiety and shaking legs start, and if I don't quickly pop another OC80, it will deteriorate into crying, runny nose, dry heaving, and extreme unhappiness. And that repeats about 1.5 hours later. The hardest part is night time, since it is impossible to re-dose so frequently when sleeping, I end up being woken up by WDs every time. I have been on about 500mg for about four years, and that was still ok - kept the job, relationships with family and friends (all non-using except the dealer). However at 1000mg I just became a different person and realized that getting off is the only alternative.
Mtgoat - thank you for your reply. Clearly neurontin does not work for everybody.
Sluggo, Majesticlilly - looks like I am not imagining things. That's good to know. Thanks for your feedback.
And an update for everybody. Neurontin and Lyrica definitely work (at least for some people) to help with opiate WDs. They don't completely elliminate them, but they help a lot. For example, mild WD becomes nothing, and severe WD becomes mild to moderate. For the last two weeks I was barely surviving on 200mg OC per day (40mg five times) after dropping down from 1000mg, and still feeling mild WDs during the day. After taking Neurontin, I cut the dosage to a single 40mg dose per day, and feel more comfortable than before. There is no way this could have happened without Neurontin - I would be throwing up on a single 40mg without the other four 40mg doses a day.
How does it help? Let's consider three possibilities:
1) Maybe Neurontin keeps opiates in the bloodstream for longer (like grapefruit juice).
2) Maybe Neurontin just potentiates opiates, so the small dose feels bigger and lasts longer.
3) Maybe Neurontin prevents the nervous system from being overexcited and that directly helps WDs.
My guess is that (1) and (2) are wrong. Why? After I take the first 40mg of the day, my pupils are pinned and I am very constipated. Four hours later, my pupils dilate and I have no problem going to the bathroom. In other words, it feels like there are no opiates in the bloodstream anymore (similar to during WDs). However I don't feel the other WD symptoms (shaking legs, dysphoria, etc). Which would imply that Neurontin helps with some (most) WD symptoms, but not all, and it does not do it just by making opiates stronger or last longer (otherwise pupils will still be pinned, and I would be constipated).
My plan right now is to get the 40mg down to zero over the two weeks, and then taper Neurontin down (which should be easier than opiates, according to many reports). If that works, it would be fantastic, and I will be clean for the first time in four years. Then keeping clean will be the next challenge.
mtgoat - thanks for the warning. Do you know if he is only taking Neurontin or something else as well? Indeed mega dose will mess you up, just as a mega dose of benzos. However they typically prescribe about 1800mg of Neurontin per day for pain, and I find that about 400mg per day is enough to significantly help opiate WDs, and since it is smaller than the typical dose, it feels pretty mild in terms of side effects. Feeling sleepy, spaced out, etc - does not happen for me at this small dose.
I guess the main question is how easy is it going to be to go off Neurontin when I taper down Oxy and no longer need it. Really really hope it will be easier than kicking Oxy, otherwise it does not make sense to keep taking it. And if it is easier, then it certainly is a great way to go, since it allowed me to go from 200mg Oxy to 40mg Oxy in one day with no problems. Today would be the third day in a row I am only taking 40mg Oxy and have no WDs, so it is definitely not just an accident, but really does work. Going for 35mg tomorrow ;)
wow. well i dont know anything about neurontin. but assuming janice is right and it is no problem to get off of....that amazing, you've gone from 1000 mgs to 35 mgs? congratulations!!! you are well on your way to clean and sober.
I have been prescribed neurotin for years at 1500 mgs a day!,,I dont take it though except at night as it helps me sleep.,,,It does leave me feeling like ,,DUHHH??,,if i were to take that amount during the day.,,,but i have in the past used it for wd's and found it to be very useful,,
so.cal - thank you very much for your reply. There is one more case of somebody using Neurontin for opiate WDs- great to know. Do you remember how much it helped? Did it help only a little bit, like a benzo would, or did it really take away some of worst part of WDs?
OMW, Janice - just to set the record straight, I did not go from 1000mg straight to 35mg. No way. Here is how it went. First I did two days of CT starting Saturday morning. It was absolute hell, with crying, and puking, and whole body twitching for two days straight. I needed to go back to work on Monday and function normally, so I picked up again. However thanks to those two days, it only took 400mg daily to relieve WDs. Then I stayed on 400mg for a couple of weeks. Then did another WD weekend, and picked up on Monday at 200mg. Both of these weekends were one of the worst experiences of my life. Then I started taking Neurontin and found that it only required 40mg Oxy per day to feel normal. I was amazed. The first two drops (1000->400, 400->200) were painful. The third drop of 200->40 was EASY. No pain, no doubt thanks to Neurontin. Overall it took over a month to get here, and it will probably take another months to taper down to zero. Hopefully somebody can benefit from this experience and see if Neurontin helps them on the way to getting clean. Needless to say, it is not a miracle or a magic bullet or a one-stop solution, but it can help a lot.
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