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i was using methadone for about a year or two, i was on 80ml/s then got down to 25ml/s the last month month and a half so i could switch to Subutex, so its been 6 days since i last took meths and im on my 4th day of Subutex, so to detox using subutex how long should i wait for?How long does it take methadone to clear from your system if your using subs?
methadone wont clear from your system. You will merely reinforce your methadone addiction with another on Bup. You will find that you will need to take a lot of Bup to get you comfortable, I have read before on this forum about many people who think that w/d's can be virtually painless, that you can press a switch in your head and suddenly its all over - if it was that easy why do people relapse time and time again, why do people need forums like this.
80mgs a day is not so much, you say you have been using for a year. I was on methadone for over 15 years and I tried all the routes possible. In the end it came down to me. I wanted to quit so I went through detox and suffered for 18 months or more. I hope you can successfully transfer one addiction into another on Bup. Personally I dont believe it.
anyway good luck
First off, congratulations. You've already made great progress switching from methadone to bup successfully. My understanding is if you just STOPPED taking methadone, it would take about 6 weeks to start feeling close to normal. But the PAWS can last 1-2 years, as the previous poster indicated. The thing with going from methadone to bup, is that you will need to stay on the bup longer than someone going from heroin to bup, or pain pills (other than methadone) to bup. In my opinion, 6 weeks to 6 months seems a reasonable time to stay on bup when using it to come off methadone. Bup maintenance is another option, but I understand your goal is to be opiate-free. Visit the Subutex/Suboxone forum for more info.
Hey Burkie, I dont know why noexcuses was so negative. Maybe they were having a bad day. Anyway, methadone stays in your system for about a week(give or take a couple days) after you stop taking it. But to detox from meth using bup you need to take 6 weeks at least. If you are following a taper schedule then you shouldnt get addicted to the bup. You have to taper off though, thats the key. Slllooowwww taper. You will still have cravings after(and probably during) the taper but they will ease up as time goes on. But it could take a year.
From what I've heard though, you are doing the right thing to get off the meth. A slow bup taper is the best way to get off it(from what I've heard from numerous sources). I am about to use a bup taper to get off meth too. Mine is gonna be 6 weeks.
I talk from experience, getting off methadone is impossible to do in 6 weeks even with a Bup taper. What a load of nonsense, being addicted to methadone and changing to being addicted to Buprenorphine is madness. I did it in the past, I changed from Heroin (becasue I couldnt get any) to prescription Temgesic (Subutex)(Buprenorphine tablets 4mg). I used plenty and I was still uncomfortable and I couldnt wait to get some smack again.
Changing from methadone is a whole different story. Believewhat you want, drugs are drugs and people should be negative about them - if you want to stop. If you merely want to try something else a bit easier/cheaper to get, then thats a different matter. Read some posts from people who have gone through hell to get clean and compare your own attitude towards addiction.....
noexcuses, some people havent got the option to not work, no good being clean if i have no job and living on the streets! you have to use your brain abit more mate! if there is a way to help you towards getting yourself clean, why not?, if you are not planing to spends years on it, in fact not even 3 months on it how can that be bad, better than using **** off the streets!! i know i will get clean, if you new me you would never question my attitude towards getting clean! i had to drop from 80ml/s to 25ml/s in a month to get on Subutex, and i am on track in my eyes! i know where i going and I KNOW HOW TO GET THERE! one more thing (Drugs are Drugs and people should be negative about them), Why there are so many drugs out there made to aid people recovering and people in Pain,if people are sensable with them they are fine, anyway ive said enough, if anyone has got something to say that might help someone please write it, if not don't bother
Burkie, I agree with you completely, I figure whatever helps, helps and if it is legal, AND prescribed by a doctor, yippee!!!! Just like someones signature says on here "it takes what it takes"! Nothing more and nothing less! It astonishes me sometimes how some people will say anything they want to just to hurt someones feelings and recovery.... truely astonished! I say whatever helps you get where you want to go..... meds., God, therepy, really big hammer..... you are far better off than some people I see everyday that don't even know they have a problem!
BURKIE CELEBRATE TODAY!!!! YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH!!! MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU AND I AM PROUD OF YOU FOR YOUR PROGRESS!!!!!
If your jello has fish in it, youv'e used the wrong bowl....
Idont know about this one,I walked off 110mgs a day after a year on the MM train,and Im not back on herion. Ive heard all the horror stories about the wd from methadone and it just never happened to me that way,granted I used opiates to break the meths back for a week then dropped those for something even milder,now after what? 6-7 weeks Im feeling much like my old self and am clean.I dont recomend doing it that way,I took a big risk,I just hated the mm clinic more than I was afraid of wd. But yes, the effects of methadone will be with you for a long time.luck 2 u, Doug
Congrate's Mate, ****ing hell.. walking off 110ml/s of Methadone! Bet your so happy your clean i mean Really CLEAN! no help from Subs,meths etc.
How you feeling now? how long did it take for you to feel Normal?
You done good mate, just now you gotta stay CLEAN! dont ever go back! not even once! Talk to u later Burkie...
I have been detoxing from methadone for over a year. It is the most difficult thing I've ever experienced. I am currently on 5 mg/d. Some would say, "Just jump off" I am taking this right to the end. I tried to be detoxed a year ago with suboxone. The detox was a total failure. I was so physically sick that it hurt to take a bath. The methadone Dr. put me on it again at 20 mg/d. I have been chipping with this withdrawal. I have been taking percocets or vicodin when I get absolutely too uncomfortable. I invested in alot of supplements and vitamins, protein powder and various other "cell foods"; I followed the recipe of a Dr.Aranson who has a site on the web about methadone withdrawal. I am scared again of getting so freakin sick that I HAVE to get back on the stuff. It is reeking havoc on my teeth and gums. I currently have bone ache and muscle weakness. I am coming down extremely slowly. At 2 mg/d a month this thing should be manageable; but it's still difficult. I started to exercise at least 3 x's a week; and if I miss my pilates class and the brisk walk on the treadmill, I start to really feel horrible. I suppose alot of this is psychological, but definitely not all of it by any means. In totality I've been on the sauce for nearly 4 years. The highest dose was 90 mg/d. I do not think suboxone is the answer at all. Treating an opiatae with another opiate is pretty insane; when that runs out you still get sick as a dog. My appetite is poor and I have sweating fits with just general malaise. Drinking a lot of water is really key to getting this stuff out of your body. The reason people stay in post acute withdrawal is because of methadone metabolites. The man that said it took him over a year and a half to start to feel normal is pretty scary. I do know this; everybody reacts differently to the detox. It is such an individual thing. I know that total abstinence is the ideal goal to all of this. Like I said earlier I've been doing some 'minor' pill popping to deal with it when the withdrawal gets to intense. What the heck, if I were in the hospital being given suboxone/subutex, would there be much difference? All I know is my efforts combined with NA are helping me to get through this very difficult time. I hope my honesty and candidness are going to help someone. Good luck to anyone who needs a little encouragement.
Marla- Welcome thank-you for adding to the forum I am entering these dangerous waters that you speak of i am not sure wether to continue on the meth or to just bail out after only 3 weeks im on a 120day detox but i am not ready for all the horror that is associated with getting off this stuff I think that i am better of taking my chances on my own I think that cold turkey for a week is better then months of agonizing pain,what do you think i would really like an opinion of someone who knows where i am at
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