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i don't mind the new Doc getting the records - i'll shoot straight with them, that's fine.
just would like to find a doc who is not such a 12-step/treatment obsessed type like the one i've got now. my present guy actually asked me to sell off some family land to pay for some $40,000 treatment place he thought i should go to. (i've been to both out-patient & in-patient already). so if i eventually have to come clean with him over last week's relapse, he's gonna want to demand some combo of treatment/90 in 90 deal that i've done before and am not going to do again. my present doc is a definite AA nazi type..........so he may refuse to treat me, whatever - so i'm trying to plan ahead here.
plus i don't want to have to pay the $400 - $800 initial fee most of them ask for.
btw ............ i'm all for 12 step programs if that's what helps you.
AA was very frustrating for me. i've done much better with private therapy.
heres a kick guys.... got on suboxone on 06/22/07 in a desperate attempt to save my job i had relapsed on painkiller due to a pain problem and then back to the smack averaging @a bundle a day. needless to say lost my job that following Monday saw that i would not be able to afford the treatment so that Saturday i decided to go from 16 mg to 8 week later 8 mg to 4 mg cut down to 2 mg 7 days later then none today 32 days off the H and @ 10-11 days off suboxone. i experienced some mild withdrawal aches, jittery, emotions all over the place but thank god none of the intestinal crap which IMO keeps alot of us from getting clean some of the worse withdrawal symptoms I'd think. OK theres some back ground on me (forgot to add i went back to my NA meetings which originally help me get 10 years this helped alot during this time) my employers fought my unemployment benefits and i have an appeal hearing on 08/01/07 <wish me luck -.-;;> today i call my therapist/doc who by the way is in recovery herself and asked if she could write a letter to appeals board for me to help my case she said yes told her i had 32 days clean and was off the suboxone 10-11days <forgot when my last dose was> and know what she told me???
"I UNDERSTAND YOU WENT OFF DUE TO FINANCIAL PROBLEMS AND SUBOXONE IS EXPENSIVE I WORRY YOU MIGHT RELAPSE AND THE NALTRAXONE IN THE SUBOXONE IS A GOOD TOOL TO PREVENT THIS I GLAD YOUR CLEAN BUT IF YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION IMPROVES YOU KNOW YOU CAN GET BACK ON THE SUBOXONE "
man i though why the F#*K would i want to do that i didn't respond but this to me shows just how much hype there is out there about suboxone these doctors seem to think it is a panacea for opiate addiction so now its off to looking for a job meetings etc for me those 10 years clean were some of the best in my life i want that experience again i need to add i agree with the "less is more" school of thought i felt best at 2-4 mg 8-16 left me constipated depressed and with headaches i wish all who are struggling with this the best and be assured I'll included you in my prayers
I think this is a reflection of: 1) doctors are acutely aware of relapse rates, and 2) doctors do NOT understand addiction/addicts like we understand each other. I say this in an effort to understand, NOT excuse....cuz you are RIGHT, there is NO excuse...
i went to a new doctor while already being on sub. i called and asked the nurse about their program, and what they charge --and then explained my situation. after speaking with the doctor she came back and told me that since i was already on sub, the doctor would charge half what he normally charges.
At your hearing stress that addiction is protected as a disability under the american's with disability act, that it a chronic and relapsing disease, and that if your employer had provided adequate insurance you could have recieved proper treatment. take documenration to the hearing, show up in person, and dress nicely. YOU HAVE RIGHTS, depending on the specifics of why you were fired. YOU cannot be fired for suffering from an addiction.
disclaimer: THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, YOU SHOULD CONTACT A LAWYER FOR LEGAL ADVICE.
Slepinosa...while I'm sure your post was well intended...you need to get a new comic book. The ADA specifically does not incapsulate addiction."Drug and Alcohol Abuse
Employees and applicants currently engaging in the illegal use of drugs are not covered by the ADA when an employer acts on the basis of such use. Tests for illegal drugs are not subject to the ADA's restrictions on medical examinations. Employers may hold illegal drug users and alcoholics to the same performance standards as other employees."
You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.The great thing about the future is it only comes one day at a time.
Ditto - I swtiched doctors and when I called the nurse for an appointment I told them I was already on sub but was moving in the county and needed a new doctor (ok I lied- but my previous doc was an AA nazi too). They did not request records and they did waive the induction fee. I remember paying $200 the first time (1 month supply) and then $75 each month. Worked out great and this guy seems to really care.
thanks boink & TMV - yeah, my present Doc seems to have some real control/power problems and because i am not as into AA as he is, i somehow threaten him. btw ......... i do attend some meetings and go to weekly counseling but i'm damn tired of dealing with his unresolved issues.
that's interesting J - i lost a very good job in 2002 as a direct result of my drinking in a state where alcoholism is defined as a disability.
so given that you can lose a job as a result of active addiction, but you probably wouldn't because say, you lost your hearing - how is the disabilty definition of addiction the same as other handicaps ?
Hey Tenn..My thoughts or interpretations are on the specific agency's terminology. Addiction being a desease not a disability. It's also based on job description,workplace, and economic factors.
An airline pilot that goes deaf, collects disability. If that same person was a plumber he would'nt.Unless his job required him to say ..use a two way radio to obtain service calls. But if that same employer used two way radios on some trucks..and say cell phones with text messenger service on others, the employer would be in violation of the ADA. But then the employer could fire him for job performance..based on not effectively communicating with customers.But not for being deaf.
Most ADA regulations ,and loop holes , deal with physical impairments and access to normal daily functions.And then each state adopted their own modifications or ammendments.
When I was doing personel books and policies..the attorney defined a disability as a "physical limit desernable by a medical practioner".
A doc can tell you how much a person with an artifical leg can pick-up.But he can't tell you, when ,why , how ,and if an addict will relapse or use.
The desease termination helped force most health insurance companies to cover some addiction costs....but then again, most folks need employment to have the coverage. Make sense?
I just switched Dr's and he normally charges 300 for induction but he only charged me 150.oo. My first Dr. charged 175.00 but I had to pay 120.00 a week (Got my meds there every week) Now I pay 100.00 a month and my insurance pays for my Suboxone ( He gives me a script)
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