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    onemind is offline Senior Member
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    Default New Suboxone users ,Spit Don't Swallow!

    Hello All,

    I have been talking to some new Sub users, It seems that some of the New users don't know to spit the Juice out after you place the Suboxone under your tongue. My DR told me to try and keep the Saliva down while the Sub is under your tongue. What I mean it is better to have a dry mouth. And never Swallow the saliva mixed with the Sub juice. It can cause one to feel W/Ds.. Because of the Naloxone.

    I hope this helps any New, illinformed users of Suboxone.

    "Keep on keeping on" John Day 12 off Suboxone... Thanks to the great people here like JDUDE and Sam, DM, Scott, Skinny....ETC

    Peace to all, John

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    Search here "Swallow" or "spit" PLENTY of posts about this... Some are quite funny!

    Been there, done that, wore out the tee shirt.

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    Sorry Bup,

    I just was hearing about new people just starting were Swallowing, and were getting sick... Peace, John

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    I really dont think the naloxone is a factor. I really think it is more because in the beggining the sub can make you so sick when swapping from opiates. I allways had a MF swapping. did it like 5 or 6 times and all were terrible. Not as bad as 100% WD's at all, but I really got sick and had the strechys for like 3 days. But that was ususally swapping from Morphine. But really spitting it out could never be a bad thing. But the digested does have a little more strength. You may read it does not, but that is BS. What people should focus more on is the amount. I think that 90%+ start out way to high of a dose. There are so many Docs that have no clue. Tell that to them and they will laugh at you ( the self medicating addict ) but really it is them that is clueless. Just like with any medical condition, you still need to research it all your self. Docs are far to common to be in the Generalization business, on to the next paying customer instead of focussing on your issue. If I could go back I would spit, about 1/100th of a second after the CRAP went into my mouth the first time. AThen I'd of never put the junk in again......

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    My opinion is to put in mouth and spit out the whole damn thing out immediately!!<grin> Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of Sub. I've heard this before but to me it was never an issue, no need to spit.

    nomadic

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    onemind... I was just suggesting the search as there are some real funny threads! (and a lot of good info too)

    Been there, done that, wore out the tee shirt.

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    I agree with you all,

    I was only on 8mg Sub for two days, and thanks to this forum I stopped. I read an ad in the local Paper, that said "DO you have a problem with Pain Pills? We are doing a UCLA research project using Suboxone. The study is to see if 1/2 the sheep just get the Suboxone and follow up with the Dr once a week, and the other 1/2 got to see a counselor. also once a week. I got picked just to be on Suboxone.

    To be in the study, one has to take a min of 8mg Suboxone for two weeks and then do a two week taper. They wanted me on 16mg to 24mg a day! I am so glad it was just 8mg for 2 days. But just after 2 days I felt the after effects of the Suboxone for about 10 days..

    I was thinking how much could they pay me to take Suboxone? No amount of Money would be enough, Insane in the Membrane. Today is 13 days off the Sub. This is a free study and My Dr does have the best in his heart. HE let me drop the Suboxone and still stay in the Study. For the 1st visit you get a gift card for $50.00 and $10.00 for each weekly visit. The meds are Free. My best to all, John

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    hmm see this makes me think lol. I was told swallow (lol hate writting that) I took note that the people i met who didn't swlalow it were saying it doesn't work and those who did said they were great. I swallow and have had no prbs though i guess your saying thats where the queeziness comes from? Ill try to spit this time

    some 1 save me if you will and take awaaay ..all these pills

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    You folks are funny. I would take a chance on swallowing .5-2mg of Naloxone any day over spitting out probably half or more of a 2-8mg dose of Buprenorphine. First of all, Naloxone is not effective orally in that low of a dose and secondly, even if it were, the duration of effect of Naloxone is only 30-90 minutes, versus 8-10 hours for Bupe. Also, you may not know this, but there is a version of just Bupe in tablet form for pain (also sublingual) called Temgesic (not in the US though) and the dose is .2 mg per tablet. (yes, that is point two) The dose is 1-2 tablets at a time, that is only .4mg. So, this is some whopping powerful stuff! Also, at doses above 8 mgs per day, you are likely reaching a ceiling effect just from the Bupe. If you can believe the notion that less is more, you will feel much better. I think this is the reason why the mfg suggests a maintenance dose of 16mgs, because at this level, there is no way you will feel any effects from the drug, however at lower doses, one could spike the dose every now and then to get a 'buzz'. Try to lower your dosage and you will see what I mean. Just the fax.

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    I wish I spit the whole pill out of my mouth in the first place.
    So it's great news for me, by me spitting out the Juice, I only got half of the dose. Thank God. Planet Suboxone, John

    15 days Off the Planet......

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    John,

    You are right. Probably is better to spit the whole damn thing out. Unfortunately, some folks aren't gonna do that, so the lower the dose, the easier it will be to get off the s#*@ and at the same time, they will feel much better than a cold turkey (or wet cat, as I call it), abrupt discontinuance of what I have coined as the "orange crush". [8]

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    I guess this is the reason they make Subutex (no Naloxone) for induction...

    F-ing Dr's trying to "help" patients avoid wd's by giving them Naloxone. Granted the buprenorphine is a strong enough opioid to stave off wd's with most people. But Black Tar and Methadone, Poppy tea, Tramadol/Ultram/Ultracette people should avoid Naloxone initially like the Plague just to be safe.. It reacts differently for so many people... No rhyme or reason at induction, but Subutex is in the "poorly written" protocols for induction.

    The saddest thing about this drug is the lack of correct information. If everything was disclosed initially... Just beating a dead horse again.

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