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    Default Vicodin AFTER Suboxone

    I'm posting this for a friend who is coming off of Suboxone. Her dose is 4mgs. a day. She's been on it for about 4 months. Here is the story: She is all out of Suboxone; however, a doctor gave her a script for 30 Vicodin. (Not sure which mg). Question: Is the Vicodin "powerful" enough to help her w/the Suboxone withdrawals? Her goal is to use the Vicodin to taper to nothing. In other words, when the Vocodin is gone, she wants to be opiate/drug FREE. Will she still have withdrawals from either Suboxone or the Vicodin when the Vicodin is gone? Thanks.

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    tough one. I used morphine and oxy Still it was difficult. The Hydro will not do anything for 3 days... don't even bother taking it. After 3-4 days It will take a fairly healthy dose to pull them up out of w/d. Take the MINIMUM to feel just OK or less. I would be careful as re establishing the opiate addiction will happen very fast. 10 day taper... There will still be PAWS. I doubt there is a way around it. The worst will be over in 2 week (the acute) Then they will have to dig in and FIGHT the rest of the way.



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    Not many people replied to my text, but just in case no one was aware, the drug Vicodin is the same thing as Hydro. SubGuy

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    It is usually the other way around people using sub to get off of vikes, as bup4pain said she shouldnt even bother taking the vikes for a few days because of the long half life of sub.

    you know there is no free ride unfortunatly, she will most likely feel pretty bad for about 2-3 weeks and then slowly will start feeling better. every person is different as to the amount of time it takes for PAWS to go away (post acute withdrawal symptoms). She needs to be prepared and maybe get some comfort meds to help her through the worst, she will need immodium for diarehha, sleep aids of some kind such as ambien or lunesta, or an over the counter sleep aid such as tylenol PM, clonidine for leg cramps (prescription med), she should drink lots of water or gatorade, and take lots and lots of hot baths for the leg cramps.

    usually the last to go is the fatigue and lethagy and sleep issues. Please encourage her to come here and post, we can help support her and give her more information about how to deal with acute withdrawals and PAWS. Good luck. blessings.

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    Thanks Teri. And you're right - it is usually Hydro then Suboxone, but she ran out of Suboxone and cannot get anymore - but the dentist gave her Hydro (Vicodin). I wrote that post a couple of days ago - here is the update: She waited until the half-life of the Sub. was gone and now she is getting HIGH and EUPHORIC on the Hydro - She plans to taper w/the Hydro - Here is the question: Will she feel any Sub. withdrawals when the Hydro is gone?

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    my answer is most likely yes, she will feel acute withdrawals from sub for about 2-3 weeks maybe less maybe more. She will most likley feel PAWS for one to two months after, but again that just depends upon the person. my PAWS lasted 2 yrs, no kidding. I was one of the unlucky ones. she has to accept that she will feel withdrawals no matter what she does most likey, I have never seen anyone get off scott free in all my yrs on the forum. I dont want to discourage you in any way but I need you and her to understand what she is up against. the vikes will most likely help, if and only if she uses them properly, steppping down off of them and not using them to get high. Let me know how things go, you can email me or pm me or send me your email and I will email back with mine. blessings.

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    UPDATE FROM MY ORIGINAL POST ABOVE: My friend's Vikes are running low. She has been on them for 9 days now. If you remember, before the Vikes, she was on Suboxone for a couple of months, 2-4mgs. a day. The dentist gave her the vikes. Since her Vikes are running low, she is in fear, for she will have nothing when they're gone. My question is: When she finishes her Vikes, what will she withdrawal from, the Vikes or the Suboxone? How severe will her withdrawals be? (If this text confuses anyone, read the first one on this topic; it explains everything). I look forward to everyone's response. Thank you.

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    Was she tapering? If she was not feeling any discomfort she has made little headway, but if she was and did start to feel crummy some of the "work" is accomplished.

    I doubt 9 days is long enough to get past all of it. ;) No free lunch.

    But if she had tapered, or is tapering, so the jump off the hydro is not all that big she will have some of the acute stuff under her belt.

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    Posted - Oct 06 2006 : 6:47:42 PM
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    Not many people replied to my text, but just in case no one was aware, the drug Vicodin is the same thing as Hydro. SubGuy

    SubGuy:
    I could pretty much guarentee you that 99% of this forum's active members are aware that Vicodin contains the drug Hydrocodone in it.

    Regardless though you brought up a good post SubGuy. Becuase I myself am also a SubGuy (was a submarine Driver in the Navy), I wish that is why cause I do love submarines. No I'am taking Suboxone it's only been about a week and i'm thinking of stopping right now and going back to a taper plan with my MS Contin.(I think this timeI can control it)

    Regardless my question would be that after 7 days of use at approx. 20 - 30 mg a day will I feel WD's for Suboxone if stop immediately?
    or will it be from my original DOC's?
    and am I included in the list of those who will not feel anything from the MS contin during the first 3 - 5 days seeing as I've only used Suboxone 7 Days. I'm assuming the half is the half life regardless of the amount of time you have used Suboxone and It will probably be about 3 days before i feel any opiate effects?

    I have not done this yet, But I've spent last night reading alot of the sub horror stories and I know I'm just trading one addiction for another. I would not be able to do a 3 week Suboxone taper and as i see if I continue taking it i will just end up on this med for a long time. I beleive I can go back to my MS Contin and do the taper plan and then jump off C/T and it will give me prep time.

    I know this sounds really dumb,I'm really confused today I don't know what to do. All I know is I do want to stop, but I have a buisness to run and could definitley not stop using a method that would make endure WD's that would keep me off work for say more than a day or two. (i'm just yaking)

    Any Advice would help, SubGuy.? or anybody? Maybe I should start a new thread?
    If my sppeeling is all messed up i'm sorry i just don't have the energy to check over what i wrote.

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    She tapered somewhat off the Vikes. Bottom line is: she now has NOTHING. Will she go thru Suboxone w/d's? (It's been about a week since she had any Suboxone - but the Vikes took over after the Suboxone, now she has nothing).

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    larry,

    you may want to start your own thread so you dont get buried in subguys thread.


    subguy....you have mail...a pm. hugs.

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    darvocets would be better than hydros. hydros are a bit too powerful for withdrawal avoidance. darvons/darvocets have a longer half-life and are fairly weak, but strong enough to get yr friend some energy and sleep in the first week (post-day 3 of bupe withdrawal).

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