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    Default subutex vacation -the truth about how long to wait

    I have been taking 2 tabs a day of 2 mg subutex for 1 year now, and I have tried in the past to take a break from it for a few days, do a little H, and then go back to subutex when the time is right. However, after waiting about 58 hours after my last subutex dose (2 2mg tabs), I noticed that I barely felt anything after shooting H. I was under the impression that after 2 days, enough of the subutex was out of your system that you would feel other opiates. I've read countless message boards on the subject, and while I have learned a great deal about subutex, I see many conflicting answers to this question. So could somebody once and for all please tell me how long do I have to wait after my last subutex to feel H when I do this? The next time I try it, I will wait 3 days. Is it possible I'll never feel H ever again? Please reserve your criticism of my plan:), I just would like a knowledgable person to anwer my question.

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    the half-life of buprenorphine is about 3 days. although it takes much longer for the "other" half to dissipate.

    but the question still remains...

    what makes you think posting a question like this on a DETOX board is a good idea?

    this isn't criticism of your plan, just criticism of your logic. seriously.



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    quote:Originally posted by 21dmaks

    I have been taking 2 tabs a day of 2 mg subutex for 1 year now, and I have tried in the past to take a break from it for a few days, do a little H, and then go back to subutex when the time is right. However, after waiting about 58 hours after my last subutex dose (2 2mg tabs), I noticed that I barely felt anything after shooting H. I was under the impression that after 2 days, enough of the subutex was out of your system that you would feel other opiates. I've read countless message boards on the subject, and while I have learned a great deal about subutex, I see many conflicting answers to this question. So could somebody once and for all please tell me how long do I have to wait after my last subutex to feel H when I do this? The next time I try it, I will wait 3 days. Is it possible I'll never feel H ever again? Please reserve your criticism of my plan:), I just would like a knowledgable person to anwer my question.
    I too am confused by your query on a detox site.

    My HOPE would be that NO knowledgeable person would answer your particular question.

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    The logic behind posting this question on a detox board is because I thought that this is where I would get the most accurate answer to my question. What are you trying to say? I have read countless other people ask the SAME EXACT question(with varying replies of course)on this board before. Why didn't you question the logic of all these other users? Thank you for reserving your criticism and not judging me. On a non-sarcastic note: thanks for answering my question, I appreciate it, it seems to be the most truthful answer I've gotten to this question.

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    quote:Originally posted by 21dmaks

    I have been taking 2 tabs a day of 2 mg subutex for 1 year now, and I have tried in the past to take a break from it for a few days, do a little H, and then go back to subutex when the time is right. However, after waiting about 58 hours after my last subutex dose (2 2mg tabs), I noticed that I barely felt anything after shooting H. I was under the impression that after 2 days, enough of the subutex was out of your system that you would feel other opiates. I've read countless message boards on the subject, and while I have learned a great deal about subutex, I see many conflicting answers to this question. So could somebody once and for all please tell me how long do I have to wait after my last subutex to feel H when I do this? The next time I try it, I will wait 3 days. Is it possible I'll never feel H ever again? Please reserve your criticism of my plan:), I just would like a knowledgable person to anwer my question.
    Are you trying to moderate your H use? Is that why you take a break with sub, then go back to H? If that's the case, there may be a better alternative for your "Non-using, non-heroin, yet-still-narcotic, breaks". Dude, that sounds insane when you look at it that way, huh?

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    P.S.- I hope you get your answer soon; I suspect that members here who are trying ti get their act together, by getting clean & beginning recovery....will be a little pissed at what could be perceived as cruel.

    That's when threads concerning sustaining/continuing active addiction, will go POOF..

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    Dude, you've got it completely backwards...I've been taking the sub for 1 year....in the year on ONE occasion I tried not taking the sub. for about 2 days and then taking some H. I really didn't feel the H, and I had read on this board that once 48 hours pass than the blockers have fallen off your receptors and enough time has passed that the opiates from the H can now attach themselves to my receptors and I would feel the high. However, I felt nothing and I wanted to know that IF I were to try this again, how many days I should wait until the sub is out of my system....but captain cake already answered my question, so if this post offends everybody so much, why don't you delete it if you can. I don't know if this board has that capability.

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    MANY people have asked this same exact question, only difference is that they usually mask they're true intentions by phrasing the question something like: "I ran out of my subutex and don't want to fell WD's...how long do I have to wait before I can take H/Oxy/Perc..whatever again"...I was just honest about it, that's why everybody got mad.

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    If you read above, I already got my answer.

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    you are dancing with the devil..Why would you go back to heroin after a year? Next time do the subs for 10 days then wait as long as you can..do the dope for one day then stop. Is that what you are trying to do?

    I have done that before and it worked great the only issues was i felt the dope again, stayed clean a week or so and was back on the dope for another 6 months. You can act like you know what you are doing and i could careless if you do dope or not that is your choice but if you want to get clean and stay clean i would just taper down on the subs, deal with the hell for a week or so and get on with your life.

    Best of luck either way.
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    Tim, Mic, Scott,

    Correct me if I'm wrong...and I say this out of GRAVE CONCERN for you 21, but:

    When people on Sub get off Sub and then do whatever amount of heroin or let's say take a handful of pills, seeking that high...but they don't feel any high right off the bat and they take MORE of their drug of choice...Aren't they taking a great risk of having a massive heart attack and dying at that point?

    They use more .... ??because some of the sub is essentially still saturating their receptors due to its long half life??

    Thanks guys, you're answering this question for me as well, because I've heard of this happening to lots of people, who are now dead.
    Unfortunately so. It's a game I'd rather not risk.

    And 21, I hope you would rather not risk your life either. You sound young and have your whole life ahead of you. See if there's anything, something that can fill that void...you'll find it if you only go seeking it. I promise you that.

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    quote:Originally posted by AmazingGrace

    Tim, Mic, Scott,

    Correct me if I'm wrong...and I say this out of GRAVE CONCERN for you 21, but:

    When people on Sub get off Sub and then do whatever amount of heroin or let's say take a handful of pills, seeking that high...but they don't feel any high right off the bat and they take MORE of their drug of choice...Aren't they taking a great risk of having a massive heart attack and dying at that point?

    They use more .... ??because some of the sub is essentially still saturating their receptors due to its long half life??

    Thanks guys, you're answering this question for me as well, because I've heard of this happening to lots of people, who are now dead.
    Unfortunately so. It's a game I'd rather not risk.

    And 21, I hope you would rather not risk your life either. You sound young and have your whole life ahead of you. See if there's anything, something that can fill that void...you'll find it if you only go seeking it. I promise you that.

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    Yup, that's how it happens Beth...

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    BTW I've aske the same exact question not too long ago. I totally understand where you are coming from. At least for me, I still want me detox regime, its just that I was a tiny break and feel high. It's just so so hard to think that we cannot get that feeling ever again. It's all part of the sickness I'm afraid. I was going to take a vacation but I'm afraid of the w/e from the sub. I once stopped for 3days (I was only taking .25mg a day back then) and then I took 2 percs and barely felt a thing! But on day 4, I did feel them, but I never got the orginal high, obviously. I went back to my sub and learned my lesson, until now. I hope this helps a bit.

    Again, if you could try to ride the storm (your urge) it would be best. However, we all learn from OUR OWN mistakes. Those are the ones we learn best. Especially addicts.

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