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    hi everyone, picked up a drug test for hubby on my way home from work. when i got home, i called the pharmacist, as i had forgotten to tell him that hubby is on 1 or 2 mgs. of suboxone. the pharmacist told me not to even bother to give the drug test, cause the sub would cause the test to read positive. if that's true, how is it that doctors who prescribe suboxone, give drug tests to their sub patients to determine if the patient is using something other than the sub? do the doctors use a different type of drug test...different from the ones that can be purchased at a pharmacy? please help. love, deb

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    Deb,
    If your husband is taking suboxone, then even if he is using he wont be getting high due to the fact that suboxone contains nalaxone which will prevent any opiates from getting him high...he could be spitting, which is the way to reduce the amount of nalaxone the body injests, Bup is absorbed sublingually/while nalaxone is absobed internally, I doubt he even know's this trick anyways. While I was on buprenorphine...Sub..my moods would change, I would get these strange bursts of energy once in a while, shock the hell out of wife and clean the whole house..She always accused me of using something when this would happen..Then again he might not be taking his suboxone at all and using, but what the pharmacist said about suboxone giving a "POS" on a drug test is false. I have taken drug tests on Buprenex,subutex,and suboxone and they have all came up negative for all drugs. A specifice drug screen has to be ordered to "locate" Buprenorphine (active ing. of suboxone)I know I gave you a few different posibilites but chances are its a really tough call.

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    deb,

    I agree with hratchet above about the drug tests.
    They absolutely will NOT show up positive for opiates if he is on Sub only!!!! If he's taking oxy again, that will give you the positive result - NOT SUB!! I am 110% sure of that!
    The pharmacist was NOT correct....he is human and we all make mistakes sometimes. His thinking probably was that since it is technically an opiate, that it would show up as such on a drug test. Not the case - unless the special test is done just for Bupe/Sub.

    Sub is still a very new drug. We all know that most Dr's don't know enough about Sub....well the same thing goes for the pharmacists - they don't know a lot about Sub either!!

    If it reads positive for opiates, I'd guess that either he stopped taking the Sub OR he could still be taking his 1 mg per day and using on top of it. Do you remember that I said earlier that a person still CAN get high while on Sub - ESPECIALLY if they are on a low dose like your hubby is!! (And I know for sure from personal experience)
    Read some of the posts from earlier this year till recently from & about Oceania (sp??) Lots of discussion of her taking her Sub daily (and quite a bit more than 1 mg per day) still using H - every day I think I remember reading....check them out...Teri/blonde bombshell was posting a lot to her trying to help her get clean again. Last I remember reading, she was still struggling.

    Anyway....I did it again....rambled too much.....so sorry!!! Again!!!

    So give him the test asap and see if it comes up positive or negative for opiates.....please let us know the results....I'll be anxiously waiting....and hoping and praying for the test to be negative!!!

    Again, we are here to support you....whatever you need....

    Good luck and be strong!!!
    Remember - if he is not using, he will have NO PROBLEM AT ALL taking the test!!!!

    <<<HUGS, HUGS AND MORE HUGS!!!>>>>



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    hi guys, thanks sooooooooo much for your posts. i was very confused with the drug test when i got home last night, so i thought i would wait until i could be sure it would work. i went to bed around 9:30, but tossed and turned and just could not sleep. i got up around 11:30, went downstairs, and told my husband i wanted him to go to the local hospital emergency room to take a drug test. much to my amazement, he said he would. got there around midnight, and he took the test. once again, much to my amazement, he tested negative for all drugs. i thought for sure he was using again, based on the nodding off, up all night, sleeping during the day stuff. he continues to tell me he is absolutely exhausted from the withdrawal symptoms of tapering off of 16 mgs. of sub to 2 mgs. he tells me he can't sleep at all some nights, and then when he takes his 2 mgs. of sub, feels very tired, knows he is nodding off, but can't help it. when he is able to sleep, such as yesterday, he said he just could not wake up. i'm very grateful that the tests were negative. he cut back to 1 mg. of sub., and plans to stay there for the next few weeks, as he'll be on vacation, and doesn't want to feel completely miserable with withdrawal symptoms. to answer your question cherry....when he first detoxed (1st part of june), he was going to several meetings each week. then he started going to fewer and fewer meetings. now he tells me he'll go when he feels he needs to go. i don't agree with this, but i can't make him go. hopefully, once he's off the sub completely, and no longer has withdrawals, he'll begin to go more often. i definately want him to. thanks again, so much, for being there........i'll stay in touch. love, deb

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    deb,

    I am SO, SOOOO happy for you!!!!
    I knew that if he had nothing to hide, he would have no problem taking a drug test! I'm thrilled that it came up negative for oxy (and other drugs) and that you don't have a relapse on your hands right now.
    And I'd bet that you are feeling pretty good now too!! :-)
    Yes, I also hope that he will go to more meetings, but it's understandable somewhat when he's feeling really crappy. Although sometimes getting out of the house and doing things will help - but that's up to him. You might try to get him to at least take some short walks with you - even if it's just down the street a little and back, then he can work his way up to a little more each time.

    Good luck continued for you both!!!
    Hope you have a wonderful weekend!!!
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    Hi Deb - you have some great people in Hratchet and Cherry! :-)

    I just am so excited that I wanted to share with you that my husband Ed used to take a LOT of oxycontin for the last several years and he went on sub about 45 days ago, stabilized at 16 mg and tapered down to nothing.

    Today is his fourth day off the sub and he's doing GREAT! I know exactly what you mean when you say there are times you swear he's using! The sub does make you feel good, not 'buzzed' but good enough at times, when you're not in the middle of a 'taper' to clean the whole house. My husband also went thru days of depression that was very new to both him and I! When he tapered from 3 mg to 1 mg - that was tough. He had to stay at 1 mg for 10 days - all the other tapers that had been 3-5 days....then under 1 mg was tricky also...but the end of the story is he stopped taking sub at .5 mg and at 30 hours starting having very bad w/'d's, so he continued to taper to .12 mg and when he stopped a week later, he didn't suffer those awful w/d's!!! We were very amazed and happy. Tonight it will be 96 hours since his last sub dose and right now he's doing great!

    SUB is a wonderful tool! Ed was taking 320 to 400 mg a DAY oxycontin for 5 straight years and now he's off it all and has no cravings and is doing great!

    Hang in there with him - it sounds like you are both ready for the next chapter in your lives - I know that Ed and I are!!! RoyalSecret

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    Deb - good evening to you . .

    One thing that really hurt my progress with the taper from sub is the constant lack of trust my partner had in me. Although I was staying "clean" (from my DOC, hence the quotes), the ones who loved me did not believe it. THAT hurts, and can lead to relapse very easily. Not saying that loved ones are to blame for relapse if they worry, but if you dont know for sure he is using . . try not to confront him about it. I know that can be hard, but try to build trust back . . .

    And I may be way off base here as I do not know the whole story . . so forgive me if you have tried this route before.

    Take care . . .

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    I know that not being trusted hurts - I am addict myself. I have cried many times over just that, but we have done it to ourselves!! Like I said to deb earlier, if hubby is not using, he should be happy to take as many drug tests as deb wants to give him. It is just one step in helping to build back the trust - to go with many other things.

    Sorry but I strongly disagree with Allgood (no offense please!!) - most addicts have almost destroyed all trust that their loved ones had in them - we would lie over and over again, and do so many other terrible things that I don't even want to discuss. Active addiction makes us complete different people than we used to be before the addiction began.

    Trust must be earned back - and expect it to take a very long time!!!
    We have done a lot of damage to our relationships and it won't be 'all back to normal and everything is great and fine' just because we start using Sub and not our DOC. Many people have relapsed while on Sub, after getting off of it, during their taper, etc, etc
    Sub is NOT a guarantee that the addict will stay clean!!

    And the addict saying that they are clean....well, how many times have our loved ones heard that come out of our mouths when we really were using?!?! And strong denials from the active addicts!!! We have SWORN that we were clean, that it was the last time, would never happen again, apologies, etc.... LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES!! I am ashamed by the lies I told. I am just thankful that I never stole from anyone or did some other bad things I might have done had my addiction continue to progress....

    OK....I'll stop now....
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    Allgood, I don't mean any disrespect to you - everyone is entitled to their opinion....

    Hope everyone has a good weekend!!!


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    royalsecret, thanks for your post, and encouraging words. was your husband taking his oxycontin as prescribed, or abusing it? was he taking oxycontin for chronic pain? if so, what does he use for his pain now that he's clean? i'll put you both on my prayer list. i'd love to stay in touch with you........

    allgood, thanks for your post and support. i do hear your point. as cherry mentioned, trust issues are extremely difficult to overcome. i do make every effort to trust, and probably wouldn't have asked him to take the drug test, if it wasn't for the fact that our daughter also noticed his strange behaviors. it must be very hurtful to know you're trying so hard, and doing the right thing, and for others to still not believe/trust you. i can only hope that with time, the trust will return.

    cherry, as always, you hit the nail right on the head. i'm having such a difficult time...the trust is coming, slowly but surely, but i still feel soooo much anger at all that has gone on for the past three years..........the drug abuse and all of the stuff that went along with it...the way hubby treated me all that time was soooo hurtful. i felt as though he had replaced me and all that we had, with pills. and, that is exactly what he did. it was as though he was having a big party all that time, and i wasn't invited. sooooo many lies. he took away the wonderful life we had been living, all the money that was lost (tens of thousands) while he was high and gambling.....and many, many other things that i've never even mentioned in my posts. i'm trying hard though....i go for counseling to work on letting the anger go. i know we'll never be able to get back on track until i'm able to do that. he tells me he was sick, and wonders how someone can be angry with someone who has been sick. he tells me all of the things that happened would never have happened if it weren't for the chronic pain and depression he felt at not being able to do the things he used to be able to do. it's as though we're living the "never ending story".... MAN, am i feeing sorry for myself this morning, or what? he's heading in the right direction finally, and i'm so very grateful for that...i shouldn't be complaining. i'm sure it will be better once he gets off the suboxone and the withdrawal symptoms stop......that's enough for now.......don't know what's up with me this morning, i don't usually get down like this........i'll write more later on.......thanks cherry. love, deb

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    deb,

    I'm always glad to see a post from you!! And don't worry about being 'down' today!! Everyone has good days and bad...you are no different. And you should know by now that this is the one place that you can always vent, scream, cry or yell for joy....anything at all....it's what makes this board so great!!

    It will take a long time for you to fully trust him again. As an addict, I know this and your hubby should too. Yes, we may be sick with the disease of addiction and yes, we would not have done many of the hurtful things if not under the influence of our drugs, but it still does not excuse them - the many lies, deceit and pain we caused can't just be ignored because we are sick!! He needs to understand and acknowledge that, if he does not already. One of the 12 steps is to make ammends for wrongs we committed. These things can't just be forgotten about....the addict needs to acknowledge his/her responsibility and do something. I believe that actions speak louder than words. Just saying 'I was sick, it was the drugs, the pain and depression, because of this that or the other..." does not cut it. We may be addicts, be we are still responsible adults that make decisions. Enough said ....

    I'm glad that you are getting counseling to help with the anger, etc.
    Does hubby ever join the sessions with you??
    It will take time and a lot of effort, but I think that things will turn out in the end.....a long as hubby does his part....and you, yours
    You will never forget, but you will forgive...



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    Hi Deb, I'm sorry that I haven't posted to you sooner, I've been on vacation and the days are going by WAY too fast! How are you and your husband doing?

    "Was your husband taking his oxycontin as prescribed, or abusing it?" Yes to both questions...Ed was taking Oxycontin that was being prescribed by his Doctor for pain. I say yes to abusing it because he was chewing them to bypass the time released feature of the pills.

    I kept his pills in a safe and gave them to him in the morning and then in the afternoon. That was the ONLY way he wouldn't run out and be able to stay on track with them. He had no willpower when it came to those pills, and he really does have willpower. He quit smoking cold turkey, from a 2 pack a day habit, but the oxy had such a hold on him!

    "Was he taking oxycontin for chronic pain?" Well yes and no...he BELIEVED that if he stopped taking the oc he would be in chronic pain, but it turned out that is another way the oc kept it's 'hold' on him. Turns out when he stopped taking the oxy, his pain went AWAY. His brain no longer kept trying to trick him into thinking he needed more oxycontin by giving him 'phantom pain' - I've read many posts that mention the same thing, how the pain goes away, so strange!

    He does have some arthritic pain, and a pain in his shoulders that still hurts him on and off. For those aches and pains, he's taking 600 mg Advil. He's also taking SamE which is supposed to help joint function, liver function, and of course, help his own 'feel good' natural endorphins to kick in.

    Deb,I would love to stay in touch with you as well! I won't be near a computer until next week, but I'll be sure to check in with you when I come back. You both are in our prayers as well! :-) RoyalSecret



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