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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonita View Post
    Well... that's your choice. The longer on it the harder it is to get off. you have enough to wean now with two weeks worth...if nervouse get 4 weeks worth. You can cut right now to 4 and I bet you don't feel anything.. I bet to 2mg and not feel anything. So you can give the power and decision to the md scripting or decide you want to get off now. I read you were addicted to codine... so you already up your annie. BUt your decision, your choice.
    That's my advice for what its worth. IF you have psy problems then maybe you should do as your md says... But if your an addict and what addict don't have psy problems your only going to make it harder the longer on it.
    Take what you want and ignor the rest
    Bonita - you have misunderstood my post. I get the script on a two-weekly basis but I have to go daily to the pharmacy to collect my suboxone. Next week they are changing this to Monday, Wednesday n Friday so I don't have two weeks to wean off with. I receive 8 mg pills so have to wait until 11th. However, I have a question - did any of you feel weighed down on suboxone, heavy with no energy? Or is it my imagination?

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    Lets all just get on, ok. I have not noticed Bonita make errors but if she has - does it really matter? I see Bonita always helping people here, giving advice or what no so lets just focus on what matters.

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    yes, and I hope things are going well for you Evey. I'm here rooting for you. :) I don't post that often about suboxone because I don't know much about it. It wasn't in use when I got clean in '87.

    But there are lots of similarities in kicking methadone and suboxone, so I know pretty much what you're going through. What I can tell you, from my experience is that when you make the decision to go 100%, to get to zero and then stop completely. To not switch to some other drug. Then you will find recovery.

    I suppose it's possible to quit 80%, or to quit suboxone but continue to take other drugs but I failed every time I tried that. Its funny when I hear people say "oh, I can still smoke weed, that's nothing" because it seems every addict thinks that going in. But I don't see it working for anyone for the long haul.

    See, usually, when a person has gotten to the point of needing to kick a long-acting maintenance drug, they have seen the methadone, or suboxone "treatment" for what it really is. That's why I love working with them, because that's exactly where I was when I found freedom.

    You can do this Evey. Lots of people have gone before you. I'll be here and I'll offer any advice I can, but the most important thing is just to be willing. You may feel bad, you may question if you'll ever feel ok again, but if you keep going one day at a time the day will come when you are free. For me it took about six months - I didn't feel right for over a year but at six months I knew I was going to make it.

    Total abstinence is hard - just the idea of it is hard. But it's that idea that begins a new life. In time you'll wonder why you ever wanted to use drugs. Even if I thought I could, I have no desire to use anything now, life is too good just the way it is.


    Best of luck Evey.
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    Thank you, peacenik, that means a lot xxx

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    Hey There OP.

    I've been a member here for a long time but haven't posted in a minute. I was actually surprised my login worked.

    Question: when you go to get your daily box dose at the pharm, do you have to dose there or are you allowed to take that daily dose home with you? I guess I'm wondering if the set up is similar to the Methadone Clinics here in the States?

    I started playing with opiates WayBackWhen I was a young and na´ve guss around 31yrs. I am 38 now. I am clean today but it was a messy ride getting here. About half way through I landed on suboxone, which is a good step for *me* but I've recently detoxed off by way of Naltrexone/Vivitrol Shot (WOW! Some serious withdrawal! lol) I tried to wean myself off the Boxes but I was never good at it. So I've been back and forth between reg pharm opiates=box=kratom, WashRinseRepeat :).

    Just some background so that I can tell you with absolute certainty that you will *most likely* not notice any physical withdrawal symptoms from 8 to 6mg. None whatsoever. However, you may experience the MindF#ck Games that come with just knowing that you've dropped your dosage, but if you can wrap your mind around the fact that *physically* you should not notice much of any symptoms from 8 to 2mg, you should be fine.

    I would suspect they would have you dose 3x2mg when you go to 6mg.

    Please do update how you are doing.

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    Hiya ThirtyOne,

    thank you for replying to me. That was kind n thoughtful of you. I get a lot of judgement online because my addiction was codeine n I could not haxk the withdrawals. And my family were trying to force me off which I totally understand now but at the time it felt like they were controlling me nn like I was walking on eggshells. I had to go there EVERY TIME I needed a dose which was 4 times daily which as you can imagine was tedious n caused problems. I was suicidal during withdrawal n yea I get people online laughing at me saying "you wait until you experience sub withdrawal," which to me is very cruel.

    No one knows my like or my situation but yet they judge me for going onto suboxone. I was taking up to 800mg a day n although I bought the 60mg pure codeine tabs n the cough syrup which contains 600mg codeine (hence why most pharmacies have taken it off the shelf), a lot of stuff contained iboprufen or paracetamol n as my mam had cut off all my contacts at the end I was having at least a box of nurofen plus a day. So the drug n alcohol service were very concern. An old friend of mine convinced me to go on sub as she had been on it over four years n it 'supposedly' stopped her addictions.

    But I kind of thought that I won't have the emotional relationship with suboxone that I had with codeine - I think most of you will understand I wont say further about that relationship with codeine as I don't want to trigger anyone but you get the drift lol. I've been on suboxone five months now n it's going to be nice not to go there daily to pick it up. To answer your question - the first two weeks they had me take it there (presciption is done fortnightly), after that I just had to pick it up. It was ok at first as I told myself: a nice mile walk there and a nice mile walk back. But now it's just a drag n I am going to do my exercising the days I no longer have to go to pharmacy n gradually build myself back up. I used to actively work out six days a weeks, doing programmes like INSANITY n P90X n thats what I want again as I feel too ashamed to wear my INSANITY T-shirt. I need to be proud.

    Why do you collect methadone daily but have buprenorphine to take eith you? Also with the methadone are people allowed to take their dose home? At first, I would be scared to take like thirty days of suboxone home with me encase I abused it.

    Sorry I've kind of gone on a bit. I do tend to do that lol. Have a great weekend and all of you.
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    E.

    No problem on the time lapse... I've been gone for years at a time, so a few days is all good :).

    Look, People are People, and there's some kind of strange phenomenon where Suffering=Strength and I Am Unique so YOU can't possibly understand *my* level of suffering because you have not hung out in my shoes. Another strange thing to me is Addicts love to fuss about Non-Addicts and their judgments passed on Addicts... but Addicts do the same to one another? Bizarre. Don't Judge Me, but I sure as shiz will Judge You, because *I* am Unique and have Suffered More Than Any Human Being On The Planet.

    Whatever. It's your journey and your life and your brain chemistry, wiring, imbalance, relationships... No One has the right to say how YOU should feel. No One has the right to make you feel like a... Worse Addict? Less Addict? Why the need to be the Most Effed Up Addict?... you are who you are, your story is what it is, and you are in your current situation as a result of it all. Regardless of how you got here, you are now on Suboxone. Comments and judgments about how you got to your present point are irrelevant and unnecessary and I tend to tell those who wish to judge me= "Thank You for your Concern... now please kindly Eff Off. Your negative comments and judgmental bullshiz is not helpful. Thanks! Kiss Kiss"

    That said, it feels like you might be more comfortable with your step down in December?

    Re: your questions about Methadone Clinics in the States: Why go everyday? Money, Politics, Government. I think some allow you to take a week's worth home, maybe more, after xx amount of time at the Clinic. I don't know too much about it, never have even seen Methadone, but it's my understanding that because it is a Government run program, they get to make the calls :).

    Re: Suboxone... I think the main difference is that Suboxone is "Less abusable" than Methadone, so getting a script from a Sub Doctor is "safer" than doing the same with Methadone (from a general worldview perspective, not from mine or an addict's worldview in general). Of course, Box is abusable and there are problems with it being prescribed by Doctors who don't really care so much about the Person they are treating with it as much as the Extra Jack they receive for being a Suboxone Certified Provider.

    Do you know how long your taper will be? Going to 6mg in December, do you know when the next step down will be? Is there a target date for jump?

    I guess I would ask, as you prepare for the taper no matter how long it will take... is there anything else going on in your life recovery based? Ie Individual Therapy, Group, Step Meetings, Sponsor, medicinal plan for after your jump? When I *finally* made the decision to get off Suboxone and on to Naltrexone (Vivitrol Shot), I had been working a pretty strong recovery program for a few years. I had my MD, Individual Therapist, Group Therapy, strong familial support, and an arsenal of comfort meds from a Doctor who cared. I guess I would maybe suggest, if you aren't already, getting a plan in place for when the Opiate Lens is removed. It can be pretty overwhelming and scary if you aren't prepared for the sudden onslaught of Emotions, Physical Feelings, and a world that was a bit dirty and dusty and suddenly as though that bald Mr. Clean dude came in and shined it all up like a new penny. My senses were on overload. I could hardly stand to be outside because my senses- visual, hearing, olfactory especially... were super sensitive and the world was suddenly so much brighter and louder. So lots of prep for all of that, plus working on the underlying issues that led me into addiction, to be prepared for the world without that warm opiate blanket to softly shelter from the Big Scary World.

    Please do let us know how you're doing.
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