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    Default Suboxone, The Good, The Bad, The Withdrawal

    The Purpose of this Thread is to talk about Suboxone and my experiences with it.
    I have been on Suboxone off and on for a long time (3 years), mostly on. Ive done a lot of research on it and have talked to and know many people that take it. The truth is Suboxone Does help. If you are one of those people like me who couldn't Detox without some kind of outside help (meaning you could't just white-knuckle through it) it is in My Opinion it is one of the best ways to go. BUT, yes there is a huge But behind this. Only if you are taking it as you are supposed to. Not just when you dont have any other drugs to take or when you just feel like it. It does work and can help maintain a normal life for you as long as you take it properly. Ive tried it all when it comes to suboxone. I abused it, i Took it off and on to compensate for my Herion addiction, I tried to just stop taking it in the middle of the program. And every time i ended up in the same place; Horrible withdrawal and relapse.

    Suboxone does help and it DOES WORK even in the smallest doses. its Very strong and long acting. The biggest issue that people have with it at first is they dont believe that 1 or 2 pills of Suboxone can replace the 10-20 pills of Hyrdocodone or 5-10 bags of herion they were doing prior. It does work, I promise. The 'sick' feeling you get when you first start taking Suboxone is the Disbeleif that it cant possibly be that simple. Panic and worry sets in and you end up causing yourself a "fake" detox situation. Where you mind makes you believe that it isnt working. But once and Only after you can break you mind of thinking that way will it truly start to work for you. This TAKES TIME. Months and Months sometimes. It took me about half a year to accept it. Between doing Herion one day or a week then swtiching back to the Suboxone i had my issuse believing it would work. But it will once you allow it to do its job.

    The next problem people have with suboxone is they think that once a week or two has passed that they can just stop taking it and all their problems are gone. WRONG. This isnt the case at all. Jumping off Suboxone at 8-16mg is the worst idea you can have. Trust me, You would rather detox from whatever drug put you in this situation in the frist place than trying to detox from that much Suboxone. It WILL be pure hell and the worst kind of pain and misery. Again this takes time. just like it took time for you to gain a tolorence to your drug of choice it will take time to lower that tolorence to a managable level. For some people that can be done in the time of half a year to a year if they follow the Suboxone program and slow but steadly lower their dose and focus of the real goal of being clean. There is no magic pill or Dr. that will do this for you and nothing works better than the time invested in getting and staying clean.

    Now for the Bad side of Suboxone. Suboxone has a very long Half-Life. meaning it lingers in your body much longer than most other opiates. Which is why one pill of Suboxone can hold you over a whole day or longer. The downside to this is that means the Detox is longer than most opiates other than Methadone. Generally a week or two is needed before the withdrawal effects pass. No they dont last forever regardless of what anyone tells you. People that have constant detox effects are either still using during that time or wernt mentally ready to detox in the first place. You have to chose to do it. You cant be forced into it or you will be misrable for a long time and will almost certanily relapse. But anyhow, Suboxone withdrawl, yes is usually longer but its not as bad as just stopping herion cold turkey or stopping the Suboxone at any point above 4mg. As i said before No matter how long you maintain a dose on suboxone you are going to detox even just a little bit for a matter of time. Its almost unavoidable unless you have amazing Will Power to wean yourself down over the course of weeks with days between taking the Suboxone, and Even then you Will detox but it probably wont be as bad. i can not say it works myself because i dont posess that kind of Will Power. The Easiest way to go through this is to wean yourself down week by week untill you are taking about 1mg or less every day for a week or two. Take as long as you need and dont rush it. Its not a race, its your life. Make the choices as easy on yourself as you can. Because when that time comes and you run out of Suboxone or you decide to stop you will want to make the detox as easy as you can.

    The Withdrawal:
    When it is Zero Hour, thats what i call the time when 24 hours has passed from my Final dose of Suboxone, expect the withdrawal effects to set in. Probably being tired, yawning and being cranky. This is the time to settle in somewhere comfortable with either a lot of relaxing movies, your computer, or your favorite music and prepair for the road ahead. If you have decided to stop on your own accord and are deadly serious about it then this is the time you have been waiting for and dreading. Its okay though because im going to walk you through what will happen over these next days or weeks. Providing you have been a good addict and weaned yourself down to the lowest managable level and then some, this shouldnt be as bad as you are expecting it to be. But it WILL be hard and you Will want to give up on quitting because it just flat out sucks. Keep yourself Busy, Either mentally or Physically or both. Do anything you enjoy doing and avoid doing things you dislike. Outside forces that bother you will make this that much worse on you. Let the people you have daily contact with know about what you are going to undertake. This will be one of the hardest parts for most becuase the people you are going to tell probably dont know anything about your situation. Dont go into detale if you dont have to. Make it short and sweet. You might consider taking a few days off from work espically in the beginning stages because it only gets worse at the start.
    Now that we have the basic needs covered its time to hunker down and prepair for the ride. The ride being more like a roller coaster because you will have little to no control over the changes that will take place during this time. but there are a few tricks that can help and have helped me. i will cover those shortly, dont worry.
    After 48 hours from your last dose you will notice things are taking a turn for the worse. Runny Nose, Sweating, Crying, Anger, Pain in the legs or arms, Throwing up, Restlessness, and the most hated of all; Inability to Sleep. Expect these and embrace them becase the more you fight it the worse you will feel. This is the time for those movies, songs, and computer to come into play. Do anything you can to keep you mind off of whats going on and ALWAYS REMEMBER, that it Will End. Also keeping clean, soft clothes around helps because you may have to change quite often due to sweating.

    Keeping Hydrated during this time is crucial becuase dehydration Will make you feel a hell of a lot worse. Furthermore try not to smoke cigarettes because nicotine causes your already high blood pressure to go up further and cause more anxeity and pain. It will be hard not to smoke because i do but it doesnt help.
    Now on to day 3. This in my opinion is the hump day of it all. The WORST day of all of them. This is when the full half-life of the Suboxone has passed and it is nearly compleatly out of your body. Meaning that the Withdrawal is going to peak during this time. This is usually the Hardest part of all of it and the peak can last for 24-48 more hours before is dies down very slowly. Pull out all the stops here but DO NOT USE. That will be your worst mistake and make the last 3 days for nothing because it WILL reset your detox timer back to day one. There is a good saying for this: "Every step of the ladder can leave you in the same place you started from." It is very important that you remain calm and busy. Go for a walk, Straighten up your room or house a little bit, but dont over do it. Anything you have left at your desposal, use it during these hardest days because they will pass. and when they do you will start feeling better faster. Make sure you eat atleast 3 times a day. It will be hard to do but it helps to soak up any toxins left in your system and give you much needed energy for your body to fight the last half of the battle. This third and Fourth day are when most people experience the whole realm of withdrawal effects. RLS(restless leg syndrome), Sever Mood Swings, Pain, Crying, The feeling of being out of breath, Panic, Sleeplessness, Anger, and Cravings for opiates almost constantly. As i said. Do anything and everything you can do to keep your mind busy. Because your mind will NOT be your friend during this time at all. Its just angry that you took away what it wants and its throwing a fit like a child. You can get past it and you will.
    Okay, so you made it past the peak. and its now been about 5 or 6 days since all this mess started. This is good. Because this is when things will begin to calm down and it wont seem as bad. you may even start sleeping on and off for a hour or so at a time. this is good. all the sleep you can get is great because it passes time and makes things less bothersome. For me i always hated falling asleep during this time becuase i would wake up feeling worse than when i fell asleep but it passes after a few minutes. This is all normal and its part of the last leg of your journey to gaining control of your own life again.

    So, its been a week. By this point you should have very little or no real withdrawal symptoms remaining other than the pesky anxeity, sporadic cravings, lack of energy and depression with random nights of sleeplessness but the worst should over or comming to a close by then. Most people dont even take a week to get to this point. for me it was about 5 days before I got back in control of myself and could function more or less 'normally' again. It was a hard fought battle but if you made it through without cheating then you did yourself a great service and you can move on to the next phase which is the Post-Accute Withdrawal.

    Post-Accute Withdrawal: Basically all this is, is your time to use Will Power. becuase this is honestly when you are most at risk for relapse. Mainly due to the lingering depression and Anxeity that will follow with it for a few months. Also because you are able to get out of the house and function. meaning you have a greater chance of interacting with the triggers that caused your drug use in the first place. This happened to me and i had to start all over again. It wasnt fun the second time around either. So be cautious and keep busy. Find a hobby, a job, and most importantly new people to be around that dont do drugs. Or go hang out with the friends you had that never did them in the first place. Some people will hang out with friends that had also quit doing drugs and this can be risky for both people involved. because chances are you got high with them also and this can trigger a relapse for both of you. USE GOOD JUDGEMENT.

    Now for some tricks that help during the oh so fun withdrawal process. These are things that helped me so no promises here but they are something to consider none the less.

    OTCs(over the counter meds) that help:
    First up is Ibuprofin. This helps a lot with withdrawal pain symptoms. I would take a little over the recommended dose of this about twice a day and it helped most times. Its great for the stubborn leg, arm, and back pain that comes with the early and later stages of detox.

    This next one is amazing but only if you can control yourself with it. Loperamide hydrochloride (Immodium AD). This is similar to opiates in its chemical Structure in a lot of ways except one, It does NOT pass the Blood-Brain Barrier. So you will not get 'high' from taking it no matter what. But instead it acts on your colon and intestines to stop cramping, and diarrhea. Providing you arn't allergic to it for some terrible reason it will be your best friend during the first week. But remember NOT to over do it with this because it CAN make you worse off in the long run. It can compleatly wipe out your withdrawal symptoms entirely for a short while ( a few hours or so). Take Double the recommended dose of it Once a Day for the first few days but do NOT take it for any longer than a week or you can end up right back at the start of it all.

    Finally is an antihistamine like benadryl. Dont go crazy with it because it can make you really loopy and much more tired then you already are. But it will help with the watery eyes and runny nose and yawning. It can also help with the anxeity and panic attacks. But dont take too much of it or you will just be tired and sick and no one wants that.

    Other Tips that help to make this as easy a possible.

    1. Take showers every as much as u can, once a day or every two days. It wont be plesant at first and will feel like you are bathing in rocks and broken glass due to you body being over sensitive. But it will pass after a few minutes. This helps to wash of the sweat from your body and to keep it from reabsorbing into your skin with can make you feel a lot worse.

    2. ALWAYS keep hydrated. Drink Sweet Juice and water. As much as you can. Pee as oftin as possible. It will help pass toxins and the remaining opiates from you body and can greatly speed up the detox process.

    3. Eat something for every meal of the day. Even if its just a slice of bread and butter or some yogert. Anything is better than nothing and will give you extra energy to get up and do something and can help absorb toxins and all that. It wont be easy to eat but do it anyhow.

    4.Keep busy somehow. Either watch your favorite movie over and over or listen to music or surf the net. anything is better than sitting and dwelling on something you cant control anyhow.

    5. REMEMBER that it WILL End. Its not perminate and it will pass. Focus on the goal at hand and not the past. There will be times when your mind will wander to a dark place. Thats normal but do NOT let it consume you. Keep youself in a good place and relax. Dont think too much about it or it will bury you. Its only a week or two, not a year or a life time. The worst will end and you will be a much better person because of it. Remind yourself that its worth the pain and so are you. Every day past is another day you wont have to ever deal with it again and when its over you can look back and Know that you were strong enough to make it through. You have the power and always remember that.

    I Know this was long winded but i wanted to share all the information i had with anyone who needed it. If this even helped one person in a bad time then it did its job. I wish you luck with all you experience. Remember it does get better.
    Good Luck and God Speed.

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    Default Re: Suboxone, The Good, The Bad, The Withdrawal

    Thanks for the post. How long have you been off the sub?

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    Hmm. Lets see. Since this is the second time i had to do it its been about 2 days since my last dose i have to say it isnt bad. The first time i stopped i had no choice. i was a long way from home so when they ran out that was basically it and i had to deal with it. it was pretty rough the first time. took about a week to get through. Thats where i found out about some of the OTC meds i mentoned. They really helped and the fact that i was away from home my insurance didnt mean anything so i had to do with what was at hand. As i said it was pretty bad the first time. I had basically ran out while i was taking about 2-3mg a day. it was hard to tell for sure the way the pills break apart. But this time i very slowly dropped my dose to about 0.5mg for about two weeks and just stopped after that. its been not so bad so far. but if history is any indicator it will most likely get the worse in about another day and then slowly go away from there like it did the last time. Post-Accute withdrawl sucked me back in about 2 months after i got clean the first time. I dont intend on doing this a third time. Not worth it. Id rather worry about being sad than worry about the possible detox from sub. Like a lot of people say. it does have a longer detox and can be horrible even at low doses than people think. from my experience with it the 0.5mg mark is what you shoot for, for about a week or two. no longer then that or ur just wasting time u could be spending on the ever awesome detox for a week. Oh, And thank you for asking. Glad to see someone saw my tired ramblings about my time with sub.

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    I really found this post useful, so thanks. I developed a perc/vic habit last Summer/Fall and did that for a few months. It wasn't too bad stopping, just a few uncomfortable days.

    I'd still mess around with a few vics now and then but I was clean October through February. Unfortunately, in March of this year I came into some money and started taking a lot of 10mg percs; and then the worst thing that has ever happened to me occurred. I found out about this great 'deal'. I could get 15mg Roxis for $6 and sometimes even 30s for $8! (Sarcasm) Needless to say since June/July of this year I've been taking 180-200mg every single day. Its never really been a huge thing, my marriage is ok, I have two wonderful children; but one day I just stopped and could not believe the money I'd been wasting and the drugs I'd been doing.

    I had never even smoked pot before! So needless to say, I decided I was done. I tapered the 15s down to around 4 a day and then let myself go into WD's, I then started Suboxone. I bought 3 strips from a guy (I'm one of those clever people who thought I could do it through the detox) And did those until I had 1/2 strip left, then I took two 30mg chopped em up and took that for a day and a half with the rest of the sub being used for last Friday. I didn't have anything until Sat night when I used another 30 to get through Sat night and Sunday. I took nothing on Monday and nothing yesterday until about 7 o'clock I took a 7.5mg vic to take the edge off. Starting at midnight or so I have been in the worst WD's EVER!!

    I feel like I am going to crawl out my skin, the RLS is UNBEARABLE. I don't know what it is I'm feeling... Subs or OC or both, but its been 5 days since last sub and just that vic since Sunday. I hope tonight goes better than last

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    Default Re: Suboxone, The Good, The Bad, The Withdrawal

    I know how much I enjoyed reading these forums when I was struggling, so I thought I'd update with how I feel today for anyone that reads this in the future....

    Yesterday (Wednesday) was absolute hell. From Tuesday evening through Wednesday night I was having pretty bad WDs, from some reason I didnt experience much on Monday or Tuesday, I think this is due to the way I spent my last two weeks tapering with a combo of Oxy and Sub. I did it that way because I was so scared of the WDs, yet I didn't wanna take too much Sub because I had read the WDs from Sub were even worse.

    Anyway, l got through yesterday by taking a lot of showers (like literally one every single hour) it helped pass the time and really helped the RLS. I also took 4 Immodioum in the morning and again at night. I drank a couple Naked Fruit Juices once my stomach felt better and lastly I went on a handful of walks, even if it was just around the block; this really seemed to help my legs and that creepy crawly feeling. I actually started feeling better and better as the night went on. I still couldnt sleep at all though, so at around 1030 I took two 50mg Ultrams and finally fell asleep around 2 am. I didnt wake up until almost 11 this morning and I feel pretty dang good.

    More than anything it feels like I'm just getting over the flu, my body feels wrecked and a little achy. But my legs feel 5000% better! I know I'll keep feeling better each day, I just have to resist any urges I might get to swallow some pills. But I truly feel like I am done with all that stuff, I never want to face the fear of WD again.

    I know this is just one long ramble but maybe it will help someone some day. If you find this forum, good luck! Everyone be blessed....

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