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    Hey everyone, so glad I found this website. Hope I can get some replies...

    I have been on subs for a year and a half now. Crazy thing is I was only into the hard **** for 6 months. First OC, then H. Yuck! So I was planning to come off of the subs much sooner, but then I got pregnant! Yeah.. shitty. I just thank god I was not using Heroin when I got pregnant. So now that I was going to be having a baby (due Feb2011), I was stuck on the subs. The anxiety and worry about my babies health when born was enough to kill me alone! I got myself down to 4mg when my baby came, and I thank god every day because my baby was perfectly healthy. Sometimes babies withdraw too bad that they have to start them on Morphine, then do a slow wean process in the hospital. I am so lucky we never had to start him on medicine of any sort. Looking at the big chunky guy now, you'd NEVER know he was born on Subutex. Anyways, he is now 4.5 months old and it is time for me to quit this ****. I need to get back to work, but I have to get through the detox before I even try to start working again. I've detoxed in the past while trying to work and go to school, yeah not possible!

    Now I am down to 3/4th of .5 mg haha don't know maybe that is like.35mg? Anyways, I gotta take care of a damn baby going through this ****. Has anyone else gone through this while having to care for a baby or child? I wish I could just have a month with no responsibilities and no where to be for this detox, but that isn't possible for me. I have these clonodine patches that you change once a week, and I don't really know if they are helping much. DR told me to start taking them now, in the last stages of my taper. I am taking the sub strips, which make it much easier to break down to smaller and smaller doses. I have a couple random questions.. If I got some anxiety meds like xanax, or sleeping pills would that help a lot with the withdrawals? SHould I just tough it out with help of Clonodine? I hate that I'm going to be a slug the next while, just cuz my poor baby will have to sit around with me too. Ugh I feel guilty but I need to do whats best for my baby, and get back to work and back to good health! I cannot wait to wake up and not need to take medicine to feel normal.

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    hey new mamma- it seems weird to say welcome, as i've been out there and this is my first post ( in over a year ) other than starting a new thread myself about 15 minutes ago-- i was very lucky with my suboxone experience-- had to jump through alot of hoops to get it through the va health care system-- when i did get it, it was horrendously over-prescribed and talk about sick!! that was the end of that chemical substitution avoid pain and work experiment ! well, nothing comes for free and the clonodine is what i was put on during inpatient detox from hydro- it also lowers your blood pressure, as i,m sure you are aware and xanax and valium and all them bupes are just more bad ju ju that you don't need. i'd highly reccomend reading the thread (i believe i have it right ) "nobody told me about paws!!- that is in the detoxing from pain meds section and i took that advice to heart almost 2 years ago and it all works, but it is not easy.

    Here's the link; No one told me about PAWS!!!

    post often and be fearless and hang in there--

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    New Momma,
    Congratulations on your healthy son.
    Yes I have tried cold turkey from low doses of methadone (10mg) twice while trying to care for my son.nothing like a hungry baby first thing AM and pouring sweat/freezing all @ once. I failed...miserably...twice. BTW I found out that 10mgs ISN'T as low a dose as I thought. Its still high actually, though I wasn't.
    I have no experience with the subs or bupens thank whomever, the methadone is more than enough for one person to handle.
    The good part for you is he is still napping twice daily right? Take advantage Mamma, NOW is the time. That's gonna fizzle soon and you'll need to be done or mostly there before then. DO NOT DALLY!! That child has NO truck about waking you up because he can't find his btl in his bed.
    Hang tough and get your vigil on, you're gonna need it!

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    Thanks for the replies... and advice! It's so true, pretty soon my little boy will be crawling and even more of a handful so I need to get through this now and not stall any more! Ugh my 21st bday is a week from today, and I will be feeling like crap I'm sure and won't get to go do anything! But I slowed down my detox too many times, for a family reunion in June, then I didn't wanna be sick on my son's first 4th of July, no more excuses! I gotta do it! Today I went down to .25mg. I take two doses daily, so I guess I take .12 twice a day. I use the sub strips, luckily I can still cut them down to those small fractions! I basically stayed home today, but I'm going out to dinner here in an hour for my Dad's bday. I feel okay enough to do that at .25mg per day. I am taking the advice of something I think I read on here and cutting down by 25% every four days. If I feel like absolute Hell during those four days, I can take a little sliver, but the next day I'll have to start my four days over. I am a math wiz but I cannot figure out 25% of .35mg, so I just went down to .25 mg.. Well I can figure out the fraction, but it's too hard to cut downt the strips into those weird *** fractions.

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    I dont want to tell you how to detox yourself... for some folks they feel the need to rip off the bandaid all at once... some want to go slowly.
    I detox off sub after only 6 mo.. I did start at a ridiculous dose but did it by 25% every four days. I crash big time and couldn't do it. Was no different then H wd. I then came to this board and read around, got advice, slowed up on taper once I got stable again. I have to say it was not that intense at all. It sucked but I was able to work daily, take care of business. UNLIKE I was when I dropped too fast at 25% every 4 days.
    I see you want to get off asap but want to do it with success also. if this is working for you then great. Keep it up. Keep posting and let us know. It you feel its too hard and cant do it this way then just slow up and not be so exact of the 4 day thingy... whats wrong with 10 or so days. Give yourself time to get stable. Most important is to get off of it.

    Looking forward to reading your success.

    BTw... the ativan thingy... well I think this could cause more issue then they are worth but again up to you.
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    So it is day 2 of no Suboxone for me! I am hangin in there, babies father is taking him tonight which is nice for me. I am hoping it isn't too long until I notice that I feel a little better each day. That is really motivating even if you only feel the slightest bit better so I hope that tomorrow I feel a little better. Not counting on it though. I have had cold chills mildly, pretty crappy headaches and leg aches, just keep taking Ibuprofen. Have clonodine pills as well. I take a half twice a day. Should go to bed now but I will keep updating my progress every few days hopefully it will help someone out one day!

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    Oh u poor thing, I know how u feel about taking care of a kid and being sick. I have 2 small children and a job and it sucked when I was in w/ds and had to take care of them and work when really I just wanted to lay on the couch!!! Hopefully tonite with the baby gone u can get some rest. And then u gotta be strong and quit his crap for u and your child. Thinking of you....
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    So it's the end of day 3 with no suboxone. Today was the hardest so far. I really started feeling the mental symptoms of the withdrawls like depression! I could not stop crying today! Ugh so annoying. I am already on Zoloft too! Anyways the clonodine patches made my skin freak out since it's so sensitive. I had to switch to clonidine pills. I don't even know if I feel much of a difference when I take it. I also have some muscle relaxers that do about as much good as a tylenol. :( BUUUUT, it isn't THAT bad and I am getting through it. I literally find myself counting the hours left in the day which isn't fun stuck in an apartment alone with a baby. I have been going stir crazy so I try to get out of the house at least a couple times. I have been drinking lots of water, showering a lot, taking vitamins, and trying my best to get my blood pumping a little too, but carrying around my chunky baby is taking care of that :) I'll post in a couple days and I have a good feeling next time I will be writing on a more positive note !

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    This website is kind of a ghost town isn't it? Jeez....Anways I am beginning day 5 without subs. Surprisingly the past couple of nights I've slept pretty well. I get about 8-9 hours, wake up once to feed my baby too. I usually take a nap each day too. I have to say day 3 was the worst. Day 4 coming in for a close second. Hard to say this early if today will be much better, but I think it will be a little better. Still taking clonidine and muscle relaxers.. The mental symptoms are probably the hardest... I feel very depressed and almost hopeless. I know I shouldn't be and I am confident I will be succesful with this, I just think my chemicals in my brain are messed up right now and it will take time for them to straighten out.

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    It will take awhile and depression will definitely go with it. Keep truckin and that mental crap should lift soon. Ur doing great. Take care of that baby :o)
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    So it's day 7. Yesterday sucked ***! I had a lot to do and I felt pretty awful all day. I have these weird aches and pains in the most random of places like my jaw one minute, then my thigh will hurt haha not excrutiating just kind of annoying. My son's dad is taking him again today, haven't had a break since... Monday night. It's a Saturday night and I will be staying home again. Hello South Park! I haven't yet felt like I'm getting better each day.. still feeling about the same as I have the last 3-4 days. I hope it is done leveling out soon so I can see some improvement. Slept decent last night too! Another thing I notice is during the particularly bad parts of the day, I will get this feeling in my chest like a tingling, almost feel like I'm gunna jump out of my skin. it isn't a good feeling!

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    Very beginning of day 9. It's almost 6 am and let me just say I am NOT a morning person, so yeah I can't sleep. Been up since 4. Pretty bad RLS. Not to the point where I'm dyin, just uncomfortable enough to keep me wide awake. So far this experience has been hard. The first 4-5 days were honestly easy as pie. For me, days 6, 7, 8, and 9 have sucked major *******. I am probably going to go crazy if I don't start getting some damn energy back. I am so bored all day long, yet I can't bring myself to do anything because of the lack of energy. It has really kicked my ***. I take the clonidine too and everytime I stand up I almost pass out. I literally black out every single time I stand up or walk around. I don't wanna tell my DR though because then he'll stop prescribing the clonidine. I feel like I need all the help I can get, even if it's making me light-headed. I can deal with that. I will say, I feel so good about the choice I made to finally do this. It's putting me THAT much closer to waking up everyday, feeling GOOD, and not having to put chemicals in my body in order to function. I am so excited to have energy again.. to take my son swimming, to the park, go grocery shopping, clean my house, and just live life. After this journey, I know I'm never going back. I cannot live as this weak person anymore. Mentally I consider myself strong, and to feel so physically weak and helpless for so long really takes it's toll on a girl. I think this week things are going to start getting much better :)

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