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    Default Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    I started at 32 mg of suboxone to control the w/d symptoms of Fentenal (and other narcotics post spinal injury) and relatively quickly got down to 16, then 12, then 8, then it got harder. Dropping from 6 to 2mg took over a year, and I have finally had enough. I've been unable to taper any lower than 2mg/day for at least two months now, and I just can't live my life anymore always making sure I have sub with me. I've taken no suboxone, just xanax and tramadol, for the past 50+ hours. I'm really uncomfortable (fidgity, sweaty, cold, cramping, etc), but I am trying very hard to leave the sub strips in the package. My question is, does anyone know how long I'll have to be this strong for? Will day 3 be worse? Better? The same? What about days 4 and 5?

    Has anyone cut from 2 to zero before after giving up on a failing tapering process? I'm so scared.

    Please advise. Thank you for your help.

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    I'm no expert and won't be giving advice but I will tell you I know what you mean. I am finishing on day 6 now after a fast 2 month taper from 4MG's to .5MG's. I felt the withdrawal from 2MG's - 1MG and for some reason it got easier from 1MG to .5MG. I tried to quit cold turkey @ 4MG's in 2009 and suffered like hell, no comfort meds or support system lined up and lasted 8 days. -- Now however, after finding this site and learning about Subs and wanting off .. I am finding this go-round to be a ton easier. -- Other, more qualified members will be by to give you solid advice. I hope my story helps! Welcome to the site.

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    Thank you so much for replying. It's really helpful just to know other people understand. My friends have no idea what I'm going through and I just don't know how to tell them. My xbf of 15 months was the only person who knew I was on sub (I had to tell him since we were together so much I couldn't hide it), but then he wound up dumping my a** as said it was because he couldn't see a future with someone taking this kind of medication. So I'm determined to stop - NOW - but need help.

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    I'm happy to help where I can! :) We all need support. Yeah, this addiction is no fun, nobody wins. I know all to well the shame and guilt that goes along with hiding your usage. Don't be too hard on yourself, we all make mistakes. You are taking measures to get better, that's awesome! As for your ex boyfriend, sorry to hear that. I was in a similiar situation recently, had a girl who didn't now and I decided not to tell. We are friends now. -- I notice, of all the times I wanted to end this addiction, it's when I grew disgusted with it and knew there was a better life out there. Now, I'm still in the process of detox so I don't want to speak too soon but I feel so confident that I have the tools to get through this. Stick around, keep posting, you'll see .. change is possible! Each day you don't use, is progress!
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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    Thanks. Yea it sucks. So I'm dealing with the emotional loss of a bf and best friend and the physical hell of WD. Since I always took my meds as prescribed by my doc, I couldn't (can't) understand how this person I loved for so long suddenly treated me like a heroine addict who chose to become addicted to opiates. Like so much in everyone's life, it just doesn't seem fair, you know?

    There are such a wide variety of postings and experiences here. Seems like some sub users start feeling better around day 4 or 5 while others feel worse and worse for a month or longer. I love my new job (hired about 6 months ago) and I might be able to get away with taking the rest of the week off, but that's it. Any ideas?

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    I found some clonodine and took 0.1mg of that instead of the .5 xanax I've been taking the last two days. I hope it helps more. I remember it helping a year or so ago when I was having trouble tapering below 6 or so mg. But it made me so tired I couldn't function. Now I can't function anyway through the WDs, so I geuss it doesn't seem to matter as much anymore.

    Besides the restlessness, stomach cramps, and yawning, I've also been feeling like my upper arms and neck bones/muscles are trying to crawl out of my skin. Furthermore, my brain feels surrounded by ice water...with menthol in it. And not the cool kind that alleviates itchy bug bites. I mean the kind that stings. Has anyone else experienced this or know what to do to help alleviate the extreme discomfort?

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    Quote Originally Posted by IWantOff View Post
    Since I always took my meds as prescribed by my doc, I couldn't (can't) understand how this person I loved for so long suddenly treated me like a heroine addict who chose to become addicted to opiates.
    Hi, welcome to ODR. Id love to help you with some advice, but not experienced with your 'prescription med' problem, but Im sure others will be able to offer you the help you need. Refering to your quote above, if you are taking meds as prescribed, what went wrong? Are you still taking them as prescribed?

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    Quote Originally Posted by shar586 View Post
    Hi, welcome to ODR. Id love to help you with some advice, but not experienced with your 'prescription med' problem, but Im sure others will beable to offer you the help you need. Refering to your quote above, if you are taking meds as prescribed, what went wrong? Are you still taking them as prescribed?

    Thank you. I don't think anything "went wrong," aside from the length of time and high tolerance. Sadly, I did not know the difference between addiction and dependence until I stopped the narcotics. I wasn't worried about becoming addicted and didn't know I had to worry about my opiate receptors becoming dependent.
    I actually did take the vicodin, percocet, demorol, fentenal, oxycotin, etc. as prescribed to decrease the pain enough to study and work. In college, I admit I did take an extra pill on an occasional Saturday night, but that was rare and stopped several years ago. It sucks, but even the first time I ever got narcos (age 10 in the hospital) it took 75mg of demoral (as opposed to the usual 25mg for a first-timer or a child) to control the pain, so I guess I have a naturally annoyingly high tolerance. Certainly since taking sub, my doc knows exactly how much I'm taking and how much I want to get off it already.

    On a side note, the clonodine has helped a bit. I was able to talk on the phone without jumping around. legs starting to jump again. damn crawling skin. Time for another, as it is 2:15am and I would like to get some sleep.

    Thanks for any help.

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    Welcome to ODR IWO......Congrats on the focus to nix the opiates.

    2mg of sub is still a pretty large dose, but it is doable. You just need to understand that for most folks the 2mg point is the roughest. Seems like the sub is most effective around that dose. And depending how long you were at the 2mg, you may still have some stacked half life to deal with.

    If you're not going to go back and try to taper lower, stick with the clonidine. If the doc is on board, see if he'll script some phenergan. The Xanax will not serve you well! :( The tramadols won't help much either past the first few days...they'll just prolong the healing. Since you started this circus with pain issues, you most likely will experience some rebound pain...like a frost bite thawing. It sucks, but it's short lived. Warm baths and Motrin will help. But don't take the Motrin right now on an empty stomach. Eat simple bland foods...chicken, fruits and veggies will help.

    There are some great links, but we're going thru a forum change..so I'll try to find some of them for you. Or you can use the search function.

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    like you.. I always high a very high tolerance for opiates... very low tolerance to other drugs though. I also had a problem once I hit 1-2mg.... I had two attempt to wean off.. the first a total failure, the second (after I got help here) much more doable but not painless. Just more doable. I wean slowly. I would drop a very small amt like .5 or .25, wait till I felt "normal" and I use this term very loosely. Then drop .25 again... wait, proceed. Some of the waits took 2 weeks, some took 3-4 weeks. But once I put my mind to it... I was able to continue.

    Clonidine helped, Motrin for pain, immodium helped also.... I really never had rls.. but did have restless body. Magesium helped, Vits and omega 3-6-9 will help the healing process.

    Let Jay help with wean... to many folks giving instruction can muddy the waters. Support is most important. Support of your liking... some use 12 step meetings, RR, Smart.. I used them all. Been a addict over 35 yrs so I wanted all bases covered.
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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    Thanks, Jay. Day 3. Diarrhea just surprised me. Isn't phenergan for nausea? I'm sure the doc would prescribe some if I asked, but I'm no more nauseous now than when my heart was broken, so I don't think I need meds for that. It's that hard-to-describe-heeby-jeeby feeling that is kicking my butt right now. The one where it feels like your skin is trying to squirm off your body. The clonodine helps, but I feel like I need more. Will I have to taper off the clonodine if/when this sub wd ends?

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    Default Re: Stopping Sub Cold Turkey. Need Help.

    Hey there,

    I'm taking 0.1MG x3 Clonidine per day and have been on it for 7 days now. It does wonders for the WD symptoms. That "creepy/crawly" sensation you are experiencing? I have that too. One thing the Clon has done; took away the chills and hot flashes. Plus, it puts me to sleep .. something that I welcome. I talked with the doc and he said it's safe and when I'm ready to stop, to take 2 pills for 3 days than 1 pill for 4 days to taper down. Not addicting at all, just on the safe side.

    The infamous diarrhea, boy do I know that one right now. Jay suggested Imodium and so far it has worked .. even helped with the skin crawling. I also have Tylenol for the aches and pains and Trazadone for sleep. Maybe this remedy could help you? I don't want to give advice but it's helping me big time.

    Here's what I feel is most important; a persons mentality. I've tried to stop in the past, whether for my relationship, a family member or some other means. I used to say over and over; "I NEED to get off these" well that was true, I needed to change the "Need" to "Want". After setting up some motivating factors for myself and realizing that I was no longer powerless, I did a self-addressed letter where I didn't hold back. The letter hurt but it's the truth. I read it everyday and I'm like; "That was the old me, there is a change taking place". Feels good. For me, taking it one day a time .. sometimes one hour at a time made it possible to get even this far. Good Luck and I am rooting for you.
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