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    I am on about now 8mgs of suboxone. I was on 24 all summer .I tried to jump to 4 last week but now back on 8. Anyway, my nurse said that subtext was $15. Cheaper than suboxone and now Im on subtext . It is a white pill round and thick.
    She assured me it's exactly the same as suboxone so yea.....I can save money of course why not if it's the same and she trust me now enough to take it properly
    She asked if I were going to shoot up or do any more opiates and I said no because it's the truth. I am wondering is there any difference in suboxone and subtext ?
    thanks for any advice....
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    Suboxone has nalexone in it. That's why your 8mg pills say 8/2. It's meant to prevent IV abuse.

    A lot of folks have side effects from the nal. in the 'oxone.

    But other then that, they're both a very powerful opiod.

    Just FYI...unless in cases of IV abuse, protocol is you shold have been inducted with the subutex. And any dose over 16mg is intended for alternate day dosing.

    Switching to the Subutex will help you taper as you're eliminating another variable...and substance. Your dosing schedule can help..or hurt you as well.
    What's your plan with the subutex?
    You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.

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    My plan is to use the 8mg for one week then cut to four the next then only take four mgs when I start to feel bad,as needed.

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    Sub makes a lousy PRN (take as needed) med.

    You'd be better served to do a gradual reduction, then jump. But don't plan to jump at 4mg if yo can avoid it.
    You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.

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    Why can I not just take a little sub every time I start to feel sick? Would this not eventually start to make me need the subtext as much. I take four mgs when I feel wd onset and go again until I start to feel that bad anxiety again and take another 4mgs.
    When I can go longer without the four then I go to two......is this just a silly idea I have ? It sounds good but I could be wrong eh:)????

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    Not sure how long you're going before you 'feel sick'. But the only thing you'd accomplish is to decrease the staked half life. But you'd increase your time on sub three fold...or more. Besides spiking every time you dose, as the half life winds down.
    You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.

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    Maybe I should try a short acting opiate after I taper off sub by half a dose a week. 8,4,2,1 then do Vic for week or so.I hate vicodin though. I was addicted to ultram but I will NEVER take ultram again........I have really messed myself up..

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    Quote Originally Posted by flygirlann View Post
    Maybe I should try a short acting opiate after I taper off sub by half a dose a week..
    Sometimes I wish we had the slap 'em up side the head smilie. :o
    After you've done a reasonable taper, the clonidine would be a much better option.

    Yes..for some folks switching to a SAO post jump can help minimize the acute stage of sub WDs. But it's best done IP, since t brings you back full circle.
    A very slippery slope.

    DON'T project or predict how you will feel. The fear is usually worse then the day at a time determination.
    You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.

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    Let's say I let myself go back into withdrawal.Would I then be able to take less sub to feel normal again? My body is used to at least 8mgs a day.If I with hold 10 days a start severe wd then I can start out on low low doses and never need to go up to 8mg.My doc is the one that started me on 32mg when I first started.......

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    If you take 8mg for 4-5 consecutive days (without figuring in previous staked doses) in any 24 hour period you have an effective dose of about 12-13mg. Jumping at a daily 8mg dose it would take about a day and a half to get to an effective dose of about 6mg. About the time you'd start the acute phase. Or about the same percentage that you did went you went from the 4mg back to the 8mg.

    But there's no one size fits all to the detox. If you're comfortable with your plan and can follow it up with determination...go for it.
    You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.

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