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    Default Subutex in tablet form..

    The last time I tried to detox the subutex route, the 8mg tablets were oval shaped and quite large. Now they are tiny white round pills which are very difficult to cut in half, never mind trying to attempt to cut 2mg's off of it. I don't see my drug worker until next Tuesday so there's no chance of asking for the 2mg ones. Have they changed shape and size in the States, and if so, do people still accurately cut 2mg's off of them?
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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    You need to go by the imprint. In the UK the temgesics are also round and small. In the states, the generic form of subutex has been available since Oct/Nov is white, round,and has the imprint of 54-411.

    All forms can be crushed into piles of powder and split up into piles if you can't cut them.
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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    Yes, I know temgesics are round and small but 0.2mg of bupe will be of no help to me as yet. These 8mg tiny round pills have an arrow on one side ( Arrow Generics Limited ) and the figure 8 on t'other side. I could crush them up as you said but you're not tempting me to snort them are you?

    I think I'll buy a pill cutter from Boots tomorrow and cut it along the arrow, and then split the 2 halves to make four 2mg tablets without pestering my community psychiatric nurse. Voila!

    Thanks for your advice, unlike your abrupt tone on my t'other thread.
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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Subby View Post
    I could crush them up as you said but you're not tempting me to snort them are you?

    I think I'll buy a pill cutter
    LOL...no, don't snort the piles, funnel the divided piles under your tongue with the fold of a matchbook or the like.

    I did get a chuckle out of the pill splitter thing. :o
    In a recent course we had to identify possible common weak points in the DEA’s Automation of Reports and Consolidated Orders System
    (ARCOS) , National Forensic Laboratory Information System (NFLIS) reports, SAMHSA’s DAWNLive! medical examiner reports, and SAMHSA’s Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS).
    A lot of issues, but to avoid a continued migraine, my 'official'
    response was none of them identify the percentage increase in purchases of pill splitters. ;) Since in the world of big brother it can be indicative of 'non-compliance'. Not only do geriatric patients cut pills, trying to make them last longer, but in the sub aspect folks are having to mitigate the mechanistic huge doses scripted. Prolly not what they were looking for..but he asked.

    BTW...I personally havn't tried the pill splitter on the new pills. But folks have said they're 'more crumbly' then the old hexagons? Let us know how it works.

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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    ha ha, excellent anecdote. Hey, I'm nowhere near being a geriatric yet, mate, lol. Yeah, I tried to break one in half this morning and about 6mg broke off which worked out perfect as I had the 6mg and I'll have the 2mg a few hours before bedtime. I rang my psychiatric nurse and I've got to go for my appointment next Tuesday to titrate. So hopefully I'll be down to 6mg's a day then and nearly ready to go down to 4mg's. Good idea about funnelling the piles of crushed subutex with a thin piece of card. I was only playing with you about the idea of snorting the lines.
    Take care, dude.

    PS. That's the most acronyms I've ever seen on one post, lol.
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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    Agent Subby,

    Hehehe, I also thought about snorting the powder after crushing an 8 mg subutex in a mortal and pestal and dumped it onto a mirror with a razor blade to form 8 piles of 1 mg each. I am new here and tapering from sub and other meds. Seems that I need to taper and jump off some other meds before I jump off sub, though I am down to .8 mg while tapering other meds. Not easy, but this forum and exercise helps lots.

    Good luck in your taper and recovery!
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    Agent Subby,

    Hehehe, I also thought about snorting the powder after crushing an 8 mg subutex in a mortal and pestal and dumped it onto a mirror with a razor blade to form 8 piles of 1 mg each. I am new here and tapering from sub and other meds. Seems that I need to taper and jump off some other meds before I jump off sub, though I am down to .8 mg while tapering other meds. Not easy, but this forum and exercise helps lots.

    Good luck in your taper and recovery!
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    Hey, Binky. Hahaha, I must admit I have snorted a few lines before when I wanted them in my system quicker, but not this time, lol. Jeez, they burned my bugle when I did it. Never again, mate. Good luck, dude. You are so right about exercise helping with the aches etc. I've just finished a 20 minute stretching routine and feel heaps better for it. Luckily I'm very supple from my yoga days on Indian holidays. Unfortunately that's where my gear habit started in 1993. So cheap and strong. And it's white which makes it easier to snort or pin. We only get the crappy Afghani brown gear here in England. It runs on the foil very well but peeps who inject have to break it down with citric acid. I'm nearing the end of my 4th day and I only had 4mg this morning. Sick of gear and will be off the subs within a month.

    All the best in your taper and recovery too, dude. Keep me informed.
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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    Quote Originally Posted by tarrboy View Post
    A couple of weeks ago when I was finishing the end of a Suboxone detox(the 10,304th one) a friend of mine gave me 100 2mg Mexican bupe tabs...The junkie in me insisted on slamming them..I shot 10 tabs and my arm almost burned off!I believe Shering labs puts an "acidic excipident" in it to prevent this..So dont snort them suckers
    No wonder my bugle was burning..
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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    Quote Originally Posted by tarrboy View Post
    A couple of weeks ago when I was finishing the end of a Suboxone detox(the 10,304th one) a friend of mine gave me 100 2mg Mexican bupe tabs...The junkie in me insisted on slamming them..I shot 10 tabs and my arm almost burned off!I believe Shering labs puts an "acidic excipident" in it to prevent this..So dont snort them suckers
    Welcome again tarrboy. Perhaps you'd could share your sits with us and maybe start a thread. A lot of great members willing and able to share some ESH.
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    This is a potentially dangerous problem....today something happened to me which nearly messed me up completely.

    So the 8mg tablets used to be BIG ovals, and the 2mg LITTLE ovals, and the 0.4mg TEENY WEENY ovals. Easy.

    BUT NOW, the patent is up on Subutex and basically any drug company can get a licence to make bupenorphrine tablets, I believe. SO I now seem to get some cheapo generic offering from Arrow Pharmaceuticals (I know this company as I used to manage a sales account to Arrow...some of the guys there literally are clueless, believe me!!!!). No problem there, it should be the same stuff...BUT, as agent says, the 8mg and 2mg are EXACTLY THE SAME. This is DANGEROUS and poitentially disaterous. I see no way of easily distinguishing quickly...unless you read the 2 and 8 (which I know sounds obvious, but it isnt that clear!!!)

    Today I picked up my script, which should be 3 lots of 12 mg for Friday, Saturday and Sunday...so 36mg in total. Now Im only taking 8mg at the mo, and building up spares (you should NEVER rely on the pharmacy...I have known them to be out of stock and just say come back later!!!!).

    Anyway, I didnt realise that I had been given a mixture of 2 x 8mg tabs and the rest all 2mg tabs. I had already popped 4mg this morning (from my stash), so wanted to just take another 4mg...i.e. 2 more 2mg.

    I just took two more tabs and thought nothing of it. It was only later when I counted the tabs and thought there are lots missing, that I realised...'these are different tablets making up the script'!!! Basically I got VERY LUCKY, I could so easily have just taken two 8mg instead of two 2mg. THIS IS DANGEROUS, COULD MESS UP YOUR SCRIPT, TAPER ETC.

    Surely these two tablets should be different colours...since many people are on say 10mg, or 12mg and require a mixture of 8mg and 2mg to make up the script. I know overdose is unlikely, but still, this could cause a whole load of sh*t.

    And yes, they are harder to break up too.

    As ever, its profits before people. It makes me mad!!!!!

    And to make it more confusing still, the pharmacy seem to chop and change which brand they give me. I guess it is which ever is going cheapest that week!!! I am the only guy on subutex, everyone else is on Methadone at my pharmacy.

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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    Cockles. Have you tried changing chemists to try and see if they give out others to these stupid Arrow generics?

    Everything you said makes perfect sense. I saw the 0.4mg ones today. It's a good job that they are quite a lot smaller than the 8's and 2's. They're still the same shape and colour though.

    Pathetic, isn't it?
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    Default Re: Subutex in tablet form..

    Cockles I do not know about over there, but I am constantly at the pharmacy or the VA getting meds for my dad, or asthma meds for me. I have found that in every case if something is different to me I talk to the pharmacist/chemist. These people are professionals and very willing to help. They can tell you what meds conflict and what you need to be aware of. I went to the VA to pick up BP meds for my dad, they were a totally different color. I noticed immediately and went back to the pharmacist who assured me that they were exactly the same only now were made in generic. I even read what he took before and he read me what the generic had in it, just to be sure.
    At one point the VA changed his BP meds. They did not tell me they had put another ingredient in the pills. He was on 4 10 mg pills per day. So I took this new medication home, looked the same and fed dad 4 pills a night. After night three I noticed the label said one per day. I called the VA and they screamed at me for giving him 4, of what I thought was the same thing he took 4 of before. They told me I could have killed him.
    Now I do not talk to the docs about scripts I talk to the pharmacists. I found it far better information. My rule of thumb is check your bottle before leaving the chemist. If anything looks different consult with the chemist immediately.
    This will perhaps save you from going through what I did with my dad.
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