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    dreamgurl1012 is offline Junior Member
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    Post Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    Ok well I have been on suboxone for 17 days. I have been taking (2) 8mg in the morning and by 4pm I take another 8mg. And I hate it. I have threw up twice in the mornings and even threw up my dose too. I have a appt with my suboxone doctor tomorrow, but today and tomorrow I don't have any suboxone. and I don't really like being on them anyways. So i was wondering what kind of withdrawals will i be having for only being on them for 17 days.
    And tomorrow I will be going to my suboxone doctor and telling him that they make me sick nd that I don't want to be on them no more. I wanted to get off the pain pills, but not to be on something that i have to take everyday, and that my body will need it everyday. Im SO tired of that. .

    Today I have not taken any suboxone or any other drug... :):p

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    Default Re: Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    Welcome to ODR dreamgurl.

    First of all...24mg of sub is a HUGE insane dose. :( Anything over 16mg is intended for alternate day dosing.

    If you're going to talk with the doc, ask for the subutex and taper from there. You should be able to resume your taper at half or less without any discomfort.
    And yes...you'll feel OK for the next few days without taking any...you have an insane staked half life.

    Not meaning this badly, but you said you 'lost' your dose.....you are taking them sublingually...yes?

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    Post Re: Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    Hey. No.. there were a few mornings i would wake up and take my suboxone and not 5-10 minutes later i was running to the bathroom throwing them up. So thats the reason im short on the dose this time. Which Ive only been on them for 17 days now.
    When I do go to the doctor tomorrow, Iam going to see what he feels I need to do, because I do have a baby to take care of on a day by day bases. I just dont want to get hooked on these and feel sick everyday. The nausa is awful I feel I have to eat all the time, just so the nausa would go away. and my headaches were the worst. So iam wanting to stop taking these.
    Thanks

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    Default Re: Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    The top three causes of sub related nausea (after induction) are: Too high a dose...dosing too close together...and the naloxone in the sub. Switching to subutex will eliminate the nal. variable.

    You don't want to jump off at 24mg if you can avoid it. An aggressive plan would be to cut your dose in half every 2-3 days, till you get to around the 2mg point.

    The staked half life will hold you for a few days....physically.

    If my math is correct, you started sub around the 4th. Lets say 8am..at 24mg. At 8pm on the 5th, you still have an effective dose of 12mg. At 8am on the 7th, you still have an effective dose of 6mg. Of course assuming you did'nt dose again between the 4th and 7th.and so on...which is staking the doses...of half life. :(
    You can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking that caused them in the first place.

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    Default Re: Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    I don't know how bad your opiate habit was before starting suboxone, but I was averaging smoking a gram of heroin per day. I started taking about 5 or 6mgs of suboxone the first day for induction (that's 3/4 of ONE pill), and then next day, I went to 4mg (1/2 pill) and stayed there for several days and gradually worked my way down to nothing over 24 days total. I don't know because I'm not a Dr, but I'd have to imagine that you'd have to have an ENORMOUS opiate habit to be taking anything over 8mg/day. I just don't understand doctors who recommend people to take anything over 8mg per day. Suboxone is so powerful that I'm convinced even the worst of opiate addicts wouldn't need a dose of more than 12-16mg. But what do I know?

    What I know is this, today is my 5th day without suboxone and my withdrawals have been minimal to nothing, but I tapered properly and was only on subs for 24 days. So, based on what I know, I'd recommend a taper as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

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    Default Re: Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    I agree with NMO, that is a huge dose...I was on about 60-120mg a day of oxy and when i went to my sub dr he put me on 24 mg a day of sub!! Thank God I knew better than to take that much. I used them before i got on them from a dr, and the person that introduced me to them told me to take a qtr of one a day (2mg) so thats all i ever took...i thought "why take anymore..its not like taking more makes me feel any better". So that dose worked fine for me, but i know everyone is different. I was on them for a couple months and today is day 7 without anything but xanx (.5mg of the 4mg a day that same dr put me on) and it is the worst yet. I tapered down to about .5 really quickly, and the wd were minimal (so far)..way less intense than regular pill wd's but they seem to last A LOT longer...seems to me with pills you feel like sh*t for a few days MAYBE a week then youre straight...with sub i think its more like a few weeks then you're straight-or close to it(if you're only on it for a short time) just a general feeling of blah and im just now starting to not be able to sleep. I would say the less time you can stay on them, the better. I didnt have a clue that you would even have wd's from sub until a friend that had used them to get off boy told me. Then i started to look into it, found this site, and here i am. I would definetly taper, and it would prob benefit you more to taper as slow as possible...i didnt do that and i think if i had i might have had less wd. But still, all the wd i have had so far is nothing near as bad as straight comin off pills...

    On a side note, me and my boyfriend were watching NancyGrace last night, and they have that stupid Misty Croslin girl (the one that was with the little girl Haleigh when she "disappeared"...that happened like 30 mins from where i live) playin the video of her dumba** sellin pills to an undercover cop..so anyways, Nancy Grace is talkin about her and she says something about the girl selling "dope"(she was sellin tabs and roxys i think)..my question is why is it that if you're selling pills on the street they call it "dope" but its not dope when the drs are handing it out like candy? I swear all these dr's are is LEGAL DRUG DEALERS!

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    Default Re: Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    Yeah most doctor's don't know how to prescribe suboxone/subutex....take it from someone who has taken both as a crutch for about a decade to deal with a crushing heroin habit....I'm CONVINCED that nobody needs more than 8-12 mg of SUB ever..Even the worst JUNKIES...and u can get that down very quickly within a week...BUP is a very strong drug...Like Jay said, Your absolutely throwing up either because its way too high of a dose, your allergic to the nalexone, or because your putting 2 8mg orange nasties in your mouth at the same time...I did this once and never did it again....They TASTE SO NASTY...Drop your dose...Try just taking 1 8mg pill in the morning and break it in half and drop it under your tongue (10-15 min is plenty)...swallow it with milk, it masks the taste if you can...This should do u fine, especially if its almost 3 weeks without any other opiates..
    Good Luck....:D

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    Default Re: Stopping SUBOXONE Cold Turkey. How will I feel?

    ok, this is only my experience. also knowing some more long-term SAO addicts.

    my primary problem was being given anti-psychotics when I have ADHD (lets just say they do the opposite of what's required and all living hell starts).

    anyhow, I stopped them abruptly (doctors didn't say anything bad would happen).
    basically any months of PAWS.
    during that time I self medicated as the NHS were less than helpful. and ended up with a bit of an opiate habit, trying to combat the extreme anxiety and depression after being lobotomized for 5 years.

    on SOA, I found withdrawal was ok so long as it was acute, continuous searing pain is blockable with mind over matter, RLS is just plain annoying.

    PAWS kept getting much better, but switched to sub, very low dose say i/16 - 1/32 or an 8mg, every 4 days or so.
    then after a week or so, I found that I got crashing anxiety and cravings within hours and ended up taking upto about 4mg a couple of days in a row, then being able to stay off for a while.

    no real withdrawl.

    I must have just hit the 21day limit, cos since I last took some (about 9-10 days ago, it's been horrible).
    anyhow from my experience.
    people seem to get addicted to each opiate separately and each has it's own time frame for addiction (that is to cause withdraw).

    amphetimes (I doubt they will proscribe them) in very low dose (say 30mg) seem to keep things at bay for a while, and then a while later you prang and then it calms down a lot quite quickly.
    SOA (e.g. imodium seem to work quite well), but I would not use them to stop all withdrawl.
    The way I use them to have a break for a day, or to get some sleep. With the expectation of having a somewhat worse experience the next morning when the SOA have worn off.
    I would say this is because some of the sub will have been released whilst the withdrawal was masked. So when the masking wears of it hits you harder for a short period, but you've had some temporary relief.

    also, this may prologue things, though when I've used meth to do a ten day detox before it was only slightly more drawn out, but the withdrawal was mild to say the least and just a bit like having done a long run and not RLS.

    other-things that seem to work good are antihistamine based sleep aids.

    the odd benzo if I feel like climbing the walls (only ever taken 2 during about 10 detoxes!)

    anti-depressants may help a bit, though I have an acute response and something like Prozac works in sub 36 hours and a little too well, after a week or so I get all the really nasty side effects.

    Gods gift, so long as only used in acute times, would be 'special k' (an a-typical anesthetic). because it's a diss-asassoiative it's a little bit like the worlds best meditation aid, and also because it works wonders for things like depression (and personally has helped me in all manner of ways) I tend to find it can both really really make you want to stop drugs, and feel good about yourself. and on a very rare occasions it has been able to instantly allow me to remove the emotional attachment I had and also it's kind of put me through an instant withdrawal (though more mental than physical, and a bit dreamy). unfortunately it didn't conquer the PAWS so after a couple of weeks I had a but if a relapse.

    also, drugs screening sites claim that they won't register sub or it's metabolites after 11days, herion is listed at 2-5 days. So I would say that's some kind of benchmark to go by for peek withdrawal and duration.

    I'm not feeling too bad now after 9 or so days, expecting to possibly feel a bit worse in a day or so's time. And then expecting the big fatigue to kick in like I get when all the heroine has gone.

    I'd also say to get it over a bit quicker, it's probably worth drinking something that would get the concentration levels in your blood down. That may be more uncomfortable but a shorter duration.

    anyhow, regular use of SAO will just make things go on and on and on and be worse than ever and you may get hooked to the SAO as well.
    (codine may not be too bad since it takes months to get hooked according to the 'I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths' doctor)
    using a mix of SAO's, and waiting for them to be well out of my system and the 'hard' withdrawal that follows to go, in an acute way has helped where my will power and need to sleep was in serious need of some assistance.

    imodium has a 72 hour addiction window (according to the manufacturer), it also doesn't seem to be psychoactive and just targets some receptors so in theory should really make the PAWS much worse if at all. I'll let you know.

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