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    Default Suboxone and Ativan/Lorazapam

    newbie here with one question (hello everyone!)
    (oh yes, there will be more, this place is just what I needed!)
    Question - My Dr happens to be a Drug Addiction Specialist and is able to RX Suboxone. HOWEVER, he refuses to RX it for
    me while I am using Ativan/Lorazapam?!?!
    Says "I could loose my license by prescribing both to you!".
    I inquired as to why and he says "Suboxone alters all Benzos
    by potentiating their effect. Deaths have occured".
    I did a little research and it appears that in France
    INJECTING Benzos along with Suboxone is a problem causing many deaths.
    From this, it appears that there is , in fact, a warning on Suboxone
    spec sheet advising against this mix, yet it's written in a way that
    seems to suggest IV use of one/both can be fatal. No real hard evidence that I could find about taking Suboxone "under the tongue"
    and Ativan - orally - together.
    Have I deciphered the info out there correctly or am I mistaken?
    I'm sure that I have read at least one or two posts, so far, that have mentioned Dr's rx'ing Sub along with a low dose of a Benzo without problems. Is this another misinterpretation on my part?
    I would just like to hear from others about this, please.
    Any info will be greatly appreciated. I know my Doctor will NOT
    prescribe both to me but there are 2 other Dr's close by and maybe I need a second opinion OR maybe just get the Sub from another Dr. without mentioning that I'm taking Ativan 3mgs a day???
    I am NOT prepared to W/D from the Ativan. I have severe social anxiety and panic attacks and Ativan works wonders so well that I may take it for life to avoid the "horrible Benzo Withdrawal" I always hear about.
    So, enuff from me, now it's your turn. Thanks in advance.
    and hey, thanks to all in Opiate Detox, even though I've just begun here, I'm looking forward to the comraderie and the friendly advice.
    Thanks again.
    Boryzark1 in Baltimore
    oopps! sorry my 1st post is soooo long. I'll shorten them up in the future. ;)

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    Boryzark. Welcome to this forum. What do you want the sub for? What are you withdrawing from? I don't have enough information from you to know how to answer you. One thing though, I don't think it's a good idea to go to a doctor and not tell him all the meds you are taking. Even if you find one who is willing to prescribe both, he needs that information in order to determine dosages, wbat synergism might occur with the combination, all that stuff. Provide some more information, stay with us, and you'll get some answers. Glad you're with us.

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    Thanks for the Welcome!

    I was prescribed Suboxone way back in April/May
    to assist in withdrawal from a small (70mg a day)
    oxy habit that I put to an end after 6 months.

    My personal life has gone into a downward spiral since Summer started
    and, well, I dislocated my shoulder, got a script for Percocet that was to be monitored carefully...yeah...and it has progressed to doing my entire script in 3 days and finding a way to score oxy/perc/hydro to carry me through until the next weekly script.
    SOOoooo, the Suboxone was for any withdrawals I may encounter in the near future and to kind of "Maintenance Me" through this awful period of life. It worked on withdrawals b4 BUT I wasn't real fond of the feeling it gave me 4-6 days later....kinda felt like a lost cottonball.[|)]
    I have access to methadone and have used that for withdrawal and maintenance BUT do not fully understand methadone and how it works and how one is to tyreat oneself MG wise during withdrawal/ Maint. So I only use that when there is nothing else.
    Does that help out any???
    Feel free to ask me to clarify, amplify, solidify, heck, I'll even try to justify my opiate use.
    Peace & Hugs,
    Boryzark

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    I am still learning on this site myself but I am on Methadose right now for back and osteoarthritis, and I am in the process of going on Subutex for the w/d of the Meth. When I started the Meth I realized this drug is too perfect. This is just my opinion, but if you were chasing a high from Perks, you will really use too many Meth if you go on it to detox. I am sorry to sound like that but just speaking from my personal. That was my situation, I would take too many of my meth for pain and I think to chase a high, and then I would run out too early for my monthly refill. I just don't want you to trade one for a worse one because the w/d from Meth is unbelievable, like nothing I ever felt. Good Luck, and when I go on the Sub in a few wks, I will definetly, let you know how that is going!

    Gail

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    Gail, please don't be sorry for what you write.
    Like you, I am still learning alot from just finding this excellent source of opiate detox info. What you said about Meth withdrawals is, sadly, so very true and something I never knew! And you are right about chasing the high...so, now I am confused and scared and since I've just been doing 10-20 mg's a day for about 2 weeks, I'm gonna do a fast taper and hope and pray I can keep busy and keep the depression and sickness to a minimum. I have learned my lesson. Thanks.
    boryzark, no longer in the dark

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    Ok Boryz, I am still learning too here, but I have mixed suboxone with Ativan, Xanax and now Valium. Well the first news flash is hey I didn't die. So personally I think that to believe that every mixture of sub and a Benzo is going to cause death is rediculous. But, but, but, you do have to be careful. You have to take an extremely low dose of the Benzo until you see what it's going to do. Personally I don't think you will be able to take 3 mg a day, at least not in the beginning, forget it. If you do you probley will die.

    What I did in ignorance was my 1st 2 days on sub, which was 16 mg a day, I took 1/4 mg Xanax and it knocked the heck out of me. I didn't know I could die, but I felt like I could. I slept almost constantly and felt horrible when awake. Btw, I was coming off a 140 mg Hydro habit for pain, and a .5 to 1.5 Ativan a day for generalized anxiety, or anxiety due to pain, but it was for real anxiety. After the 2 days I found out mixing sub and a Benzo can be fatal so I didn't for a long while. Well actually that's not true. I tried .25 mg of Ativan and It knocked me out so I laid off.

    Well, as some people around here know I'm not feeling good on suboxone. Some say I'm on too high a dose which was 24 mg a day. I'm now down to 11 to 18 a day, average at 16, but I still don't feel well. Besides that I think I figured out something. My Anxiety disorder is coming back, especially the lower I go with the sub the more I feel the anxiety. What I feel is a general sense of uneasiness, unhappiness, discontentment. I call this anxiety. So I decided to not take anymore sub 1 day and I took .5 mg of Ativan and fell asleep. Mixing Benzos and sub really produce a lot of sleep. The next day I tried some Valium I had. It's very old, some was 2 years old and the rest was 4 to 5 years old. I like that combo the best, but the dr won't give me any Benzos with sub and he says if he finds out I take some he will drop me as he is convinced I will die. I also had someone send me a private email saying he's been mixing sub and a benzo for a long time. He said he won't say it here because he gets flamed for saying it. So I've come to the conclusion it is possible to mix them but in very small doses. I also think you need to wait for your body to become addicted to the bupe before you do it. But I can't see you taking 3 mg a day of Ativan. I do think the bupe amplifies it.

    So whatever you do, use very small amounts, crazy small, like .25 and .5 mgs of Ativan or Xanax, and if it's fresh 1, 2 or 5 mg at the most of valium. And that's assuming your not exceeding 16 mg of sub. I am only using Benzos when I take like 8 mg a day or less of sub. Just use crazy small doses, you can always take a little more. But my personal opinion is it isn't gonna work out for you like it's not for me. I need something for pain and anxiety and so far sub isn't doing the trick.

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    WOW. i just compleated a detox in a facility that gives ativan and suboxone as part of their protocol. the facility is called maryhaven in columbus ohio. you might tell your doc and see if he will correspond with them they are very knowledgeable. i know what sleep depravation can do to a person. good luck

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