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    Default Anyone on high doses of Suboxone?

    My husband has been on 24mg of Suboxone for over a year and just tapered down to 22mg last month. I believe he sometimes takes even more and when his prescription runs out takes Soma or Benzos to ease withdrawals until he gets his new RX of Suboxone.

    I believe my husband's addictionologist and 12-step sponsor (who is also a physician) are going to try and get him back on the right dosage of Suboxone because we all know that taking Soma and/or Benzos while on Suboxone is playing with fire.

    Hubby was a very, very heavy user of Oxycontin for years. I will say that he thinks Suboxone saved his life (he's done the in-patient treatment, out-patient treatment, tapering, cold turkey, every way to try and get off of Oxycontin and hydros). He definitely has not only the disease of addiction but chronic relapsing disease as well. Lifetime maintenance for him on the Suboxone is not a problem and he wants to stay on it.

    The only real side effects that I can see as an outsider are his sleepiness. Otherwise, he seems himself and life is really good for our family. He says Suboxone makes him feel "normal" but it does bother me that he feels the need to self-medicate with Soma and Benzos some and I fear he will end-up eventually relapsing on opiates again.

    My question is.........is there anyone out there who is on more than 24mg of Suboxone a day for a long period and how are you doing? Anyone else who has used Somas and Benzos with Suboxone?

    Thanks.


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    I'm on about 18 - 24 mg of sub a day, but only for 3 weeks, so I don't know how much help I can be. But before the sub I was on Hydro and Ativan or sometimes Xanax, both are Benzos. My dr didn't tell me what could happen mixing these 2 so I took 1/4 mg of Xanax the first 2 days on sub. Oh man, it knocked the **** out of me. I didn't even know why. I then found out it was the Xanax, so on day 3 I took 1/4 mg of Ativan. That too was very powerful when mixed with sub, but it didn't knock me out like Xanax did. So my first guess is that it's a little safer to mix Ativan with sub than Xanax. But I've been amazed that I haven't needed Ativan or Xanax for anxiety or to help me sleep since I went on the sub. I too am always tired and sleeping isn't a problem (staying awake is). I'm also coming to the conclusion that sub must reduce anxiety. But now for a few days I've knocked the sub dose down to 12 mg and I'm beginning to feel some anxiety, and a need for some Ativan. I'm thinking that if I ever get down to 4 - 8 mg, like most of the people here, that I may then need some Ativan. So, assuming that your hubby has developed a tolerance to sub after all this time, I can see where he may need some Xanax for anxiety. Is that why he's taking it? Why was your hubby on all the opiate pills anyway, pain? I was on them for pain and I'm having a pain problem since going on sub.

    Since he's been on a high dose of sub so long maybe you can help me. I'm having a constipation problem, the folks here say it's from the high dose. Does your hubby have this problem, and if he does, what is he doing for it? I'm using suppositories, but I fear I may soon become immune to them. So, can you help me?

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    I think he was just really taking Xanax and/or Soma when his Suboxone RX was running low to ease withdrawals. He's an addict plain and simple, and his drug of choice was Oxycontin. He never took it for pain. He's probably been an alcohlic since a teen and an addict since he first started taking illegal drugs. He's taken everything out there and like I said, loved Oxys the best. But has been clean from Oxy for over a year since he's been on Suboxone.

    As far as the constipation goes, this has always been a problem for him since he was on Oxys for so long. I don't think it's as big as a problem with the Sub, but he says he tries to eat well (lots of fruits and veggies). Maybe you can start taking a stool softener every day. Hope that helps. Good luck!

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    I've used suboxone twice, the first time at high doses -- 24 mg to 32 mg/day -- during which I was always chasing the elusive 10 minute buzz that high-dose sub gives some people. I was always running short before my next refill. The second time I took 8 mg/day for 2 days and went down to 2 mg thereafter and quit after 13 days. It wasn't bad at all, and most importantly, it relieved all w/d symptoms without encouraging me to take more than I needed in hopes of a buzz.

    Your husband may be on way too much sub. Too much can encourage relapse because some of us get a little buzz at those high doses. He might be better off cutting to 12 mg/day and toughing it out for a few days until his body adapts, then taper from there. A maintenance dose of sub usually does not need to be more than 2-4 mg/day, I think.

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    WOW,Interesting posts!I am so GLAD,my doc is SOO good!He warned me of the dangers of MIXING bezo's with the SUB!I am on 16mg!And,plan to stay there for quite some time to come!I just know I cannot taper,right NOW!Not the way,I feel!And,besides I am so so happy that I am not using those powerful prescription meds,I was getting. And the DREADED heroine ANYmore!Actually, I do believe H and OXY= the same thing!Same exact feeling!Same exact PAIN relief!And,I have heard people say that oxy's are 'Hillbilly'heroine!That my friend's is BULL****!Does anyone know the STREET value of these things?Or is it JUST ME?Oxy's are actually much,much, more expensive than H!Especially,If you go INTO the city and get the H,yourself!CHEAP!However,if you buy it off someone going to the city..EXPENSIVE!But,'BANGing'it IS the BEST!AND,also very,very ADDICTing!!Withdrawal SUCKS!Chronic-Relapse is quite NORMAL,believe it or NOT!But,I don't think Re-LAPse is a DISEASE!THE ADDICTions to WHATever DRUG,THAT is the DIsease!!!That is why People who run out of their meds from abusing it,Or from people stealing it!End up on H!Although, they have finally came out with the oxy 80's that you CANNot abuse!By, that I mean you can't crush them and snort them!Or chew them and swallow them!Because,the pill turns into gel!I'm not sure if it's like that EVERY where with the 80's,BUT it is here!And,Miss back to your husband!If I were you!I would just be "happy"and "DE-Lighted" if he is on SUB,and trying not to ABUSE ANYthing else!Even,if he does take a 'lil' eXtra.Here and There!I wouldn't push the issue too much!It really might want to make him use more!Especially,If he is in PAIN!Or if HE is suffering in ANY WAY!Just,warn him of the dangers of MIXing too many other drugs,eSPECIALly BenZO's!!I had A "VERY" close FRIEND DIE from doing that a couple yrs Ago!I am not telling you this to scare you or to think I know it all,Like some!!But it is OH SO true!Trust me!I have been through this with my OWN Husband.Thank-God He suggested we go to the E.R. at our Local VET center,when WE were DOPE-sick AND WITHdrawing! Or I may or(WE)may have Died!And,also many,many,other people.As,WELL!So,I do have some 'KNOWledge' on this issue and I definately DO have "STREET-SMARTS"If,that is what you would prefer to call it.Take-Care!Hope things Go WELL!Later!*~LIL'~Lady~LoRa~*[B)]:) :D[:o)]

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    :) OH,one more thing,MAM!Our doctor did tell 'us' that we could be on sub for a few weeks,a few moths,a few years!It really "JUST" depends on 'us'!So, does Tapering DOWN!And,therefore every Individual's needs,Problems,Issues,Pain,and CONditions,DIFFER!No-ONE is exactly the SAME,BUT there really aren't to MANY EXTREME differences when it comes to being an addict of any kind!ALOT,of people have ADDICTive personalities,in this WORLD!If,I were you,MAM.I would just 'feel' so lucky,and priveledged to have SUCH a good man,husband,and father!And tell him HOW much you LOVE and WORRY about HIM!Because,at least he is TRYing!Aren't you Blessed?I understand your WORRY!I really do!But communication with this man,YOUR husband!Is the most Important thing!Not,these Posts!Here on the NET!Sorry,I do NOT mean to offend you in any way!But,Some people JUST want to know that they are LOVEd and APPRECIATEd for ALL of the GOOD they DO!ESPECIALly when they DO have PAIN,OR any other ISSUES!I am by no means PERFECT!But,I do CARE about PEOPLE in General!EVEN,on the NET!I can be bitchy,funny,a REAL pain in the buttocks!But,TAKE a real good look At your MAN!And TELL him!You LOVE him SO!AND TELL HIM how MUCH you WORRY about what he is TAKING!And what a GOOD Man,and FATHER he really is!Just like you told us,IN your post!;)C-Ya!Have A GOOD-ONE!:D"LIL'LADY-Lora-Jean!"[B)]:)[:o)]

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    LadyVet--Thanks for replying. I have total faith in my husband, his recovery, his doctor, etc. and he knows he is loved and appreciated and we both are very blessed.

    JaH--He tried 16mg/day but was still craving, so his addictionologist took him up to as much as 32mg/day and he has been slowly tapering ever since. By slow, I mean a 2mg/day taper every few weeks or months. The goal (I believe) is to get to 8-16mg/day maintenance dose. Again, he was using a huuuuuge amount of Oxy before getting on Suboxone, and he has no pain issues, so he's a good candidate for lifetime maintenance considering he had relapsed numerous times and been in and out of treatment centers.

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