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    Hey all.. My first time posting here, but I've gottan alot of support by reading these posts, so thank you all.

    Ive been using Suboxone for many months now, almost a year I suppose. Started with the Buprenex amps (1 1/2 to 2 or so a day) to get off Oxy's and then moved to Suboxone because of availability issues. I never found a doctor who would help me so everything I've obtained has been illicitly (not by choice, obviously). I don't want to keep on doing opiates but I am really emotionally addicted, just don't feel any sunshine breaking through the clouds at all without some type of opiate.
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    Because I don't have a doctor (man I wish I did) I have no more Sub as of this morning so it's about to get pretty rough.. in one hand I am pretty scared, on the other hand I remember what running out of oxy was like and I thank God that I dont have to go through that again. I am also glad that the supply has run out since I don't know if I would have been strong enough to stop when it's available. (I wish I could say that I was)

    I am going to try hard to work the buprenorphine out of my system somehow to try and shorten the duration of the withdrawal, since I don't have the luxery of being able to taper. I had a couple of questions maybe someone can help me answer.

    I am trying to mentally prepare for what I am facing, (I've faced it before so I know what to expect, I am just bracing myself but at the same time tell myself it wont be that bad, and the rewards are indescribably good.

    I am a skinny guy with a fast metabolism, will this help shorten the duration of the withdrawal? What else can I do to help to speed up the process? Excercise? (I have a nice gym in my apt complex) Drink water and take vitamins? Get real hot and sweat alot? I don't mind increasing the intesity of the discomfort a little bit as a trade off for shortening the duration.

    I don't have any benzos either, and I've found that with a little xanax I still feel pretty crummy but am much more lethargic. It'd be nice for the sleep factor though, but I will have to do without.
    I will also try to keep myself really busy and just try not to think about it.

    If I had a doctor around who would help me taper, that'd be great, but I just dont have that option.

    And so I will do my best to just tough it out. Will my fast metabolism help me to get over it sooner? I know it may sound too good to be true but I am hoping for feeling better after a few days, at least if I start to feel a LITTLE better, I will know the worst is over and that will give me strength? (I am already prepared not to sleep too good for the forseeable future.)

    Also what can I do to get that **** off my receptors and out of my body as fast as possible? I so long for the days where I do not need an opiate to get through day after day after day... the lifestyle has become unsustainable..

    Thanks all,
    Heyo Edited by Spring 1/25/04 4pm EST

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    Oops I messed up in my Topic header. It should read "Ran out of Suboxone".. sorry folks.. I always get those mixed up. (mods?)

    Heyo

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    Hey Heyo,

    One thing I can tell you is that my doctor told me to take 100mg of vitamin B1 daily to help with your nerves. It's supposed to soothe them...it worked!


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    I will do that. Thank you!

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    Hi Heyo, welcome to the forum :) ...I'm very sorry to say that I myself will be able to offer you no advise what so ever, I have never taken Sub. so I have no experience with it...I just wanted to pop in and tell you to sit tight if you can...Weekends tend to be a bit slow here, lots of our members are either out of the office, away with their familes, for whatever reason most people don't post on the weekends...Keep checking back, I'm sure when Monday rolls around you'll gets lots of helpful information...My first thought is John *Bup4pain*, he's a very smart fella and knows Sub backwards an forwards, so try reading as many of his post as you can and ask him a few questions...Like I said he's the first person that popped in my mind when reading your questions...I know many others will be glad to help you as much as they can, lots of people here have had personal experience with Sub, but I myself have'nt an would really be afraid to tell you much of anything except to hang on until someone else can get here and pick up my slack...Good luck to you :)

    Take Care & God Bless :)

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    Heyo, Welome to the board. Like Sleepless said, someone will be around to help you out, hopefully sooner than later. Wondering how your feeling today.

    Please dont take offense at what I'm about to tell you....I edited your first post. For those who have already read it, you know what I'm talking about.

    I have NEVER done that before. You put out some info that I think would be better off not shared on this board. I am NOT judging you, criticising or mad or disappointed in you or any other derogatory thing. I only want to spare other people who come here from trying something that could possibly hurt them.

    FYI...I didn't just blast what you wrote out into cyberspace either. I have it copied and pasted and put away. They are YOUR words and I have no business completely deleting them is how I see it.

    We okay?

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    Thanks very much for the reply. I am now about 29 1/2 hours since last Sub and I am starting get discouraged.. mostly because I have to work tommorow.. my insidious mind is already scheming of ways to get a bit of sub.. I wish it wasn't but it is. Uhg.

    I wish I could just lay in bed alone for a week and watch TV...

    Oh well, we'll see how it goes... thanks for the support.

    There's gotta be an easier way [xx(]

    Heyo

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    Spring,

    Yeah, we're cool...

    However now you have made me curious.. I have found in the last 3 weeks that SL is okay route of admin for me. However.. I am still curious about what I may have been doing wrong, so that I may learn.

    Also, keep in mind, I have not, in almost a year, nor plan to do any time soon... any other opiate of any other sort. (I know that's instant train wreck!) Also the quantites we are talking about is about 1/32 of a 8mg by 2mg sub tablet.

    Is there a way you can wipe out this post and send me a private message with some had medical on that subject? you can email joujouka@adelphia.net

    Heyo

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    I'm going to have to leave that medical info to the experts on this board. I have been on and still am on Sub so I dont know what to expect any more than you do.

    A habit is a habit but you have been taking such minute amounts I just dont see you having much trouble. I have a fast metabolism too, that may help you get rid of it faster. I've wondered the same thing.

    Not sure what you mean about what you were doing wrong. The main thing I see that was wrong was that you werent on an actual program with a doc behind you. You were using the bupe on and off in unequal doses. You were...uh..."not using as directed". And most likely not for the right reasons. I dont know enough about you to say that for sure, Just a guess.

    I still dont understand how someone could actually LIKE this stuff! I mean, it does NOTHING for me except keep me from W/D and from using....which is A LOT but I'm talking about "feeling" anything from it. I feel nothing.

    Stick around...someone will be along with some words of wisdom for you.

    ~~~Do the right thing and risk the consequences~~~Spring~~~

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    spring,

    I was actually talking about what got deleted from my post.

    My total consumtion was about 1/4 of an 8x2 sub tablet in every 24 hour period. (using the methods of admin. and in the increments I have specified)

    I always crack at the 48 hour point.. mostly because I have to go to work.. that's what usually does it for me... the lethargy and the crappiness drags on and on and on.. its hard for me to take off work, and it's murder to work when your arms way 100 pounds... difficult situation, but all I can do is keep trying.

    As far as what got edited out of my post, that's what my previous post was mostly about... and I see what you mean, too, why you wouldn't want that out.. I guess I shouldve thought of that...[8D]

    But I have never had a problem, and a friend of mine does 1/4 of an 8x2 sub in that method at least 3 times a day.. and he is fine. (you may want to delete this post too, but I was trying to clarify so *you* understand.


    Thanks very much for your support!
    Heyo

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    Just realized I wanted to respond to this part of your post.

    **Quote from spring:**
    "I still dont understand how someone could actually LIKE this stuff! I mean, it does NOTHING for me except keep me from W/D and from using....which is A LOT but I'm talking about "feeling" anything from it. I feel nothing."
    **end Quote*

    I Do feel something.. and the best way to describe it is *relief*..

    However, I'm easy to please. I am so used to feeling SO bad that the RELEIF in itself that the stuff provides makes me very euphoric. Just not being sick, to me, is HIGH. Just the contentment and the feeling that Im not sick makes me feel like a million bucks.. so in that sense.. yes, I do like it.. alot.. and that's the problem...

    Thats why all through my opiate addiction I have always been a nibbler.. I always did small amounds but CONSTANTLY. I never wanted to get blasted.. just wanted to be ok.

    I only did 7.5 to 10mg of oxy at a time when I was using it.. however I'd do that 10 times a day.

    It's the sense of releif that is my euphoria, and man is it ever.

    Thanks again

    Heyo




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    Heyo, John here.. I'm a little mixed up about your daily dose of bupe before you ran out. "1/4 of an 8 mg x2 a day" So 4 mg a day??

    I was on buprenex for 2 years. My scrip was for 4 cc a day.

    MY experience with the w/d from bupe is not any fun. The w/d lasts a while longer than Oxycodone w/d. The biggest problem is the debilitating fatague. Most of the W/D is in your head, and not the body like H. Expect it to last a while!

    Bupe has a 37 1/2 hr 1/2 life. This makes for a much longer w/d.

    3 days to peak and a couple of weeks for the fatague to subside. Insomnia will be a problem for a while too.

    I also don't quite understand something. "I don't have any benzo's" yet you say Xanex caused you to be larthargic. Xanex is a benzo .. and VERY ADDICTIVE!

    Breaking the bupe cycle will be difficult (mostly long), but nothing like metadone w/d, so count your bleasings. :)

    Good luck! Hang ON!

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