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    Apheana Guest

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    Hey everyone- I have been on this Saboxone since Nov 2- I started on 16mg a day and worked my way to 1mg. I was almost off but I tried to jump ship at 4mg and after having a couple months on it I figured it best to taper all the way down. This board has been overly supportive and I do not think i could have made it so far without everyones help. So I want to say THANK YOU! As far as pain goes I will take it as it comes. I know one thing is true- when coming off this stuff I get very tired. Enough tired to sleep 13-14hours a pop. Not healthy seeing as I am feeling down but if I dont get the sleep I am miserable. So, as I drop down I realized the only cure is to slep and eat healthy. So as for advice for anyone thinking about this med, I say go for it if you have fear of withdrawing and missing time from work. On the other hand I think the best advice I could give is do not take it over 4 weeks unless you have made that decision to maintain.
    [|)]I made that decision at first but I have had some strong people in my corner that were far more addicted for many more years that have helped me realize that I want to be free of all opiates for a change and I believe that person I have lost will be found again only if I am 100percent clean. As I have mentioned there may be times in my life when I need pills for med reasons but again I have read posts from people here that have been strong enough to get through it so I have to believe in myself and not some pill. I am just happy to have this place where we all share our stories and help eachother out. Thank you eveyone again.
    CGDG- Im not cryin' over noodles anymore. I think the mastery razor cutting skills worked wonderfully to taper so I am real low before I jump off. [^]

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    Apheana,

    Hey kiddo... sounds like you are ready to jump ship. You have been at it a while and have done a great job on your taper. I know it is a difficult thing for you. We have been here together for quite a while and I feel like we are partners in arms of sorts.

    I wish you the best with your leap! PLEASE post your daily progress of what you may feel at the time lack there of, so we can lend a hand and so we can all use it as a guide.

    This forum is the only contact I have for my "support net" and so far has really made a difference. The 2-3 times I almost caved I came here and read all the new posts, and it gave me the needed boost to get through the critical times.

    It not only made me not want to let you all down, but made me better understand my commitment to quitting. Helped me to think it through and realize sticking it out was really easier if I just waited it out.

    Your process has not just started but is nearing the finish. Your taper has been the longest part. Now the last speed bumps on the stretch home.

    Buckle up and enjoy the ride! [:o)] Best of luck and keep us posted!

    HUGS!.. John

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    Thanx John. A special thanx really because you were the first to realize that I was on too much from the start and you convinced me to listen to my body. I now pass that on to others. Being trapped on this med is the same as being trapped on a pill. I started to think to myself if they are gonna give me this they might as well give me hydros or something. The point was to break the addiction and not continue it. For others that have had long winded battle with heroin I do not deny that maintenance is the right answer but for pain pills I think after detox, maybe a couple weeks then none. I feel worse mentally than I did when I got on this drug. The worst part about that is getting the doctor to listen. He thinks I should stay on it. He is afraid of me relapsing. I have discussed with him at length that I may be prescribed pain meds for a ligit reason and he said that would be the same as a relapse and we should start at the beginning. NO WAY. I have learned a lot in the past couple months and from this forum. I think I will have a battle but never will I get to where I was before. I am way to educated [8)]now thanks to everyone here. Sleepless ripped up her script the last time and that was powerful!!! :D

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    Apheana...
    w/o this board, I *never* would've even KNOWN about Subutex/Suboxone. And the support is what helped me to taper quickly... and ultimately stop.

    Great people...great site.

    Glad to hear about the noodles too...next time they don't come out right, I wanna hear you took a BASEBALL bat to 'em!

    *How sick is this...I used to brag that I could chop up a half an OC into fine powder and snort it w/i 1 minute...while DRIVING ...what a moron... I certainly honed them "blade skills."[xx(] -Now if only there was a restaurant around that could somehow utilize my expertise...but I doubt they'd look too kindly on an employee chopping veggies with a single edge blade...and then undoubtedly snorting em:D!

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    Good job Aphy,
    I know you know this already, but post detox can be really depressing. That can easily be exaserbated by...
    Too much sleep
    Not enough exercise
    Drinking alcohol
    Taking benzo regularly

    I understand your sleepiness, my bf slept for a couple of weeks. Once he stopped the Remeron, he ended up in a TERRIBLE funk. So, just make sure that you're getting some exercise so the sleep you do get is necessary, not just withdrawl stuff.

    continued good luck

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    Apheana, I'm so glad to hear about how well you are doing gurl...It's always so great to hear someone say *Thank You*...Here on this forum it's really not necessary (although it is greatly appreciated ;) ), this forum is a lot of give and take, the more you give of yourself here in the way of advise the more you get in return...I think that works out best here and in real life in general...You've made some pretty solid friends here and the support that has been given to you has been returned by you to others, so make sure you say *Thank You* to yourself as well chickie, you deserve a big appreciation hug too my sista ;) ...I wanted to ask a quick question if I may...You said you were feeling a lil bit down & out, having the blues a lil, are you taking any kind of AD? I've never been one to push AD's, but I have to be honest an tell you the Paxil CR that my primary care doctor put me on has made a world of difference in me...I've only been on it for a lil over 2 weeks now but it's already helping me a great deal, I fought the idea of taking it in the beginning but now I'm SO glad I decided to bite the bullet cuz I was headed straight into a serious depression, I could see it coming a mile away...The only negative effect it's had on me (not really negative come to think of it) is that I get really sleepy around 8 o'clock or so...I am able to go to bed at a desent hour now a days and wake up looking forward to the day ahead of me :) ...Anyways, I'm wishing you lots of luck coming off the Sub, I know yer gonna do just dandy...You are in my prayers hun...


    Take Care & God Bless :)

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    OK- My last dose was at 7am today. I have been taking it in the am to get through work. It seems at about 5ish it wears off. I am sleeping way to much but I am making sure I dont give in. I am on nothing right now in terms of anti-d's. I have never been one to turn down pills but I have decided no matter how sad I am to ride it out. I have tried so many of them and they make me manic or want to fall asleep at the wheel. I have a goal to find a doctor other than one that can prescribe the bup to get treatment from. My primary care doc knows zero about addiction so he is no help. The bup guy wants me to take bup for another 6months at least so he is out. So I will again quest for the right anti-D. Until then I think I am going to go the herbal route and see what I can do on my own.
    Pinkie- Thanx I NEED to force myself to work out. It gives that boost of energy and maybe I can stay awake until after 8pm. No Bezos. I am getting ahold of some Soma's to get through the weekend since I will be jumping out of my skin. I guess they dont knock you out like my old friend flexerall. I dont drink anymore and I dont smoke herb anymore so those things are out. The only thing I have battled with has been sniffing some coke. Maybe 5 times in 3 months. I think I just miss the sniffing thing and the energy. Its not worth the crash or the empty feeling in my wallet though. I am getting support for that in AA though (just started). Thats my biggest downfall :(. I just keep thinking about that one day at a time thing. It works. I need to get a sponser too and I think that will make a world of difference. Instead of giving into those urges I need to go to meetings. Thanks again everyone.

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    Pullin' for ya Apheana...you'll be in my thoughts. Do what you *need* to do to get thru this; you'll do just fine!

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    OHHHHH BABY!!!! [8D] That's great!

    Hang on Girl! Let the ride begin. Remember the 38 hour rule. In 38 hours your body will 1/2 of the dose you took this am. Then 38 more hours 1/2 of that. So the bupe will be with you a little bit ;) so it's not like falling off the cliff with Oxy or H.

    It's like a slow descent off the bupe. Unlike Oxy you will not peak for a couple of days. With your dose being low the amount of your drop may not be all that bad anyway. I'm just trying to say remember that it's the w/d from the bupe and NOT YOU that is making you feel the way you will be feeling for a few days.

    Anti depressant rant/caution follows:

    I caution people about Anti-D's because it takes TIME for our neurotransmitters to heal and produce the chemicals which make us feel "normal" what ever that is. ;) PLEASE GIVE IT SOME TIME!

    Introducing chemicals means to bolster them is sorta like taking opiated to boost em. Your brain will not learn to do it on it's own if you do that. Given the choice of slogging it out for a few weeks and a slow recovery over the next few months and then being OK vs taking Anti-D's and getting a fast restart then being dependent on them to be sorta normal... THEN having them start to not work (like opiates) tolerance and dependence... Then you are stuck living on Anti-Ds and the progressive side effects or dealing with the w/d from them.

    TRUST ME recovering from medium and long term usage of SSRI's can take up to a year or more to recover from. Many people end up taking them for life and have to live with the nasty side effects which develop over time. Then you are STUCK!

    Depression is part of the w/d and recovery of the use of opiates. It has taken me 7 days to be at a point where I feel better than CRAP. Each day has gotten better a little at a time. The end of yesterday I started to really feel better. Today is a marked improvement. I can only imagine how good I will feel in 6 months. I still have a LONG way to go.


    One Harvard study found 78% of patients experienced withdrawal symptoms from discontinuing effexor xr making it the only drug worse than paxil in this regard.

    I keep saying it. Do a google search "Effexor Withdrawal" and "Paxil withdrawal"

    Here is a link to read: http://depression.about.com/cs/venla...ainshivers.htm

    One more: http://www.pandamedicine.com/rt_health/160-19.html

    **Must read**: http://www.join-the-fun.com/effexor-withdrawal.html

    NOTE: SOME PEOPLE need an anti-d as the risks out weigh the consequences of these dangerous addictive drugs. But you need to understand the risks of taking them. SSRI's should be a LAST resort. The older anti-d's should be use first. Starting on SSRI's is not the correct course of action.

    A short course of the older antidepressants may do the trick with less risk of long term problems. Canada and the UK are now starting to realize the negative impact of these drugs and are even thinking of restricting them more than they are, let alone banning them.

    As time goes by we are learning a lot about these drugs.

    While your W/D has you feeling crummy spend some time researching these drugs. There are 100's and 1000's of web pages and NEW studies about them. Don't trust the drug company trials and reports and they make HUGE $$ on these newer expensive drugs.


    The FDA defines as 'serious' any side effect that causes:

    death,
    hospitalization,
    cancer,
    permanent disability, or
    birth defects.

    "Serious" events occurred in 201 of the 2,181 Effexor patients in the FDA's safety evaluation, or 9 percent overall!


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    How cool would it be to have a support forum like this in real life?? Instead of just typing so antipersonally on the net. It would be a GREAT help to get off such an all consuming thing.

    I went to a rehab centre full of alchoholics. I whole time I was there the just looked at me like I was some kind of deabilitated wretch! LOL I think there seeing me gave them strength to kick there addiction. Just before I "escaped" to get on I told the alchohol dude in the next room to me "dont ever use heroin" LMAO.

    But I think if I were there with people like you guys who post here I might have had a differnt outcome..

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    Bup,
    I don't know about AD use for everyone, but I have to say that I have been chronically depressed since childhood.There are long periods of time when I walk through life managing, and seemingly okay, but underneath I feel kind of dead most of the time. Then there are the times when I slip into serious depression, can't function, withdraw, cry constantly, stop eating etc etc. Luckily, I'm on a pretty long cycle for the serious dips. I think that if you are the kind of person who was depressed for a long time before your opiate use, the benefits may outweigh the risks. No reason to live a long miserable life, I'll take short and bearable myself.

    If I were the kind of person who hadn't had problems with depression before becoming addicted, I would probably try to ride it out for a couple of months. People who can wake up in the morning looking forward to the day ahead are very lucky people indeed. On my best days I wake up in the morning and think, here we go again.

    I'm only saying this because some of us just don't have what it takes to bounce back, never did. Any option is worth considering if you are uncontrollably miserable most of your life.

    I can't even say whether the AD's work for me or not. I don't think they do a whole bunch on a day to day level, but so far, I haven't slipped into a serious episode, and that's enough for me. (Also, I haven't really given them much of a real chance, as I've used opiates the whole time I've been on them, hardly fair)

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    Hi Apheana :) You hang in there gurl, you've got lots of people here pulling for you and cheering you on in the side lines...We ALL know it's tough, we've ALL been there, we are ALL struggling with the same thoughts and feelings day by day, we are ALL here for you when you need us...Buddha was right on, it would be so groovy for us to all be able to get together in real life and have the support we get from each other here...It would make things so much easier it that were possible...I think people tend to be a lil more honest and open here on the forum verses being in a group face to face with people spilling your guts and true feelings, but it still would be a blast to be able to meet and talk face to face with so many of you that I have grown to love & respect...Aphy, continue in your quest for a new doctor if that's what you feel is best for you sweetie, you know your body and mind better than anyone else, so do whatcha need to do and remember the ole saying *This too shall also pass*...The things you are feeling and the way you are thinking now won't last forever, John is right, it's a normal part of withdrawl and it WILL fade away, I can promise you that my friend :)
    John, I'm not trying to argue the point about AD with you, so I hope you don't think that...I agree that they are'nt for everyone, some people just don't tolerate them well at all...BUT it seems like everyday they researchers are coming out with new and improved AD that are way less harmful than a few years back, non-addictive, and very few negative side effects...I agree also that it seems now a days a doctor (some doctors) relies on them to cure people for any and everything they come in the office an complain about and that some of them are *bad medicine*, BUT sometimes in certain situations and circumstances people NEED them for a cetain chemical imbalance in their brain, some need them for a life time, others need them temp. to help them get over a hump such as myself...I have never been the kind of person that would push a drug like AD's or encourage someone to take them, BUT as I said sometimes for they are needed and can do someone a lot of good...I myself am proof of that...I did a lot of research on Paxil CR and asked a lot of questions about it before I began taking it, and Yes there are a few negative side effects from it, but the pro's out weighted the con's...It isn't an addictive drug, and withdrawls will only effect me if I just up and stop taking it without tapering off of it...I can't and won't speak for anyone but myself, BUT taking the Paxil CR has been a blessing to me and is helping me to cope more than I could have ever imagined it would have...Just a lil tid bit I'd thought I'd throw in here...Apheana you are in my prayers girlfriend :)

    Take Care & God Bless :)

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